Seto Kaiba
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True... and if Macross 7 is anything to go by, there are already quite a few hobbyists and the families of Space War 1 veterans out there with vintage VF-1's that they've somehow kept in good working order. There's also one example in Macross VF-X2, where the head of the Critical Path corporation (Manfred Brando) was somehow able to buy his own VF-17S Nightmare. Thing is, the bit on Dengeki Hobby's website seems to imply that there weren't that many SV-51/52 airframes that survived the war, so it's probably unlikely that their numbers went up by much... maybe a custom job for serious hobbyists or something? Yeah, but like Manfred Brando, Richard Bilra had ownership of a interplanetary megacorporation fattening up his wallet.
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Dunno... I can't exactly see a VF being a low-cost hobby vehicle, but since at least a few examples survived the destruction of Earth's surface in Space War 1 and are still being used, making new ones probably isn't out of the question. After all, someone's gotta be making replacement parts to keep the surviving airframes running.
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In theory, this might answer some questions about how they filmed the air combat scenes in the Frontier fleet's "Birdhuman" movie... The teeny little pictures we've seen show it's got an A-type head... in light of all this, I'm kind of wondering if he got his hands on a VF-1X somehow. Oh yeah... I'll second that emotion.
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Eh... correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it you that was plugging his ears and insisting that the show itself is wrong regarding the effectiveness of the VF-0's laser weapons? You were the one trying to make your whole case based on the veracity of sources. Still waitin' for you to source your claim about the VF-0 and SV-51 with anti-laser coatings BTW... had a brief skim over the sheets and didn't see anything to that effect. (Seriously, inquiring minds want to know... the only VFs I've seen anything on anti-beam coatings for are the VF-19, VF-25, and VF-171EX.) 's not really new, IIRC... the novelization of Macross Frontier has them using an SV-52 w/ reaction engines in the filming of the "Birdhuman" movie. How they did it in the animation is anyone's guess... in light of what's new in Macross the Ride, they may have actually had one or more SV-52s on hand for the job. Huh... kinda like the VF-14 then. Guess that cinches it... SV-51/52 wins by "Word of God". Can't say that I'm all that surprised. Presumably the military spec model wouldn't compare that favorably, being a Space War 1-era machine and all... but I would imagine the heavily customized race machine from Macross the Ride would be able to keep pace with the VF-19's being used, at least in terms of maneuverability (dash speed not being super-important in a slalom type racing event).
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Okay Macross R... you have my undivided attention. Awesome! You just made my day.
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No, I'm afraid it isn't... which is why I said as much in the first place. If we're to discuss the merits of the VF-0 and SV-51, we should at least stick to reliable sources... 's all right... I voted for the SV-51 on the grounds that it was a craft designed for combat service, rather than an impressively-capable test plane. Plus I think the multi-axis thrust vectoring and canards give it a decided leg up in maneuverability. 'course, the original topic of the thread does also specify that they're competing ala Project Super Nova, so presumably the effectiveness of their weapons would be a factor.
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Or... and bear with me on this... you could cite the source for your claim instead of acting like a bellend. If it's actually in there, and your present behavior is enough to make me doubt that it is, then it shouldn't be a problem for you to tell us what sheet it's on, or even where it is in that sheet. I can't help but think that your new "no, I won't tell you where I got my information, go find it yourself" attitude is strongly reminiscent of the attitude Shaloom took once he was caught in a lie. Now, are you going to cite your source or should we just assume you're spinning a yarn? Sorry to burst your bubble, but the books aren't a higher authority than the show... they're a companion to it, not vice-versa. This ridiculous line you're spouting about "power of plot" is basically just you trying to say that the show itself is wrong because it doesn't agree with what you want to believe. We have the animation that shows us that the VF-0's laser weaponry is basically useless against the Octos's energy conversion armor in a high-power state, and thus we have good cause to suspect that the SV-51 would have little to fear from it. So far, you haven't actually provided a counterargument to the visual evidence from the show itself... all you have done is claim that the show is being deceptive somehow. (Seriously dude, this isn't like you... what gives?)
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Forgive me for saying so, but this whole "power of plot" counter-argument to disprove what we see in the show itself doesn't really stand up. The print sources don't have the power to out-and-out overrule what's in the show itself. What we literally see is Roy trying and failing to inflict any damage on those Octos units until he hits an exposed missile. That is the bare fact of the matter. Roy's lasers didn't have the power necessary to damage the Octos, and thus it's logical to assume that the SV-51 would enjoy similar near-immunity to the VF-0's laser weapons. Both... Roy lands a number of direct hits and several glancing blows, none of which do any damage until he hits that exposed missile. Okay, now I have a question... where, pray tell, does it say the VF-0 and SV-51 are sporting anti-laser coatings on their armor? It's been a while since I've revisited Macross Zero, and I haven't gotten around to reviewing it in Chronicle yet. Can you please cite a source for this? I ask, because the only VFs I've seen mention of anti-optical weapon armor for are the VF-19 (mentioned in the M+ OVA, presumably extends to the VF-22 as well), VF-25, and VF-171EX. Now, if we're going to argue this point, we should first ask ourselves what the power state for the Octos's energy conversion armor was. Presumably they follow the same general set of guidelines that VF's do, where the ECA is off (or, at best, in a low power state) in fighter (or submarine) mode, and only operating at full power in battroid mode. That Octos was operating in submarine mode, then its energy conversion armor was almost certainly at its lowest power state, making it a much softer target. In your rush to argue "power of plot", you seem to have overlooked a lot of rather obvious evidence to the contrary. ... and what canon work would that be? Seriously, inquiring minds wish to know. Except that, if we're arguing the circumstance dictated in Master File, you're over the mark for the maximum power consumption of the VF-1's laser weaponry by a factor of two. Bear ye in mind, I'm not arguing whether the capacitor would be an asset... I'm arguing that the firing duration it supposedly confers doesn't jive with the series, or subsequent descriptions of a similar setup in later models of fighter in the Master File series.
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'k... what I'm saying here is that, capacitor or no capacitor, the output of the VF-1's power plant should be more than sufficient to run the lasers indefinitely until the system starts to overheat, which seems to be the case in Super Dimension Fortress Macross. The idea that those lasers can only operate for 20 seconds even when the fighter isn't devoting most of the reactor's output to flight is kind of inane... especially when there's obviously at fair bit of surplus output kicking around. It's particularly incongruous in the context of what the VFMF: VF-19 book shows about later applications of the same damn technology used in the same place. Reductio ad absurdum? Damn man, I'm actually disappointed... you're the LAST person I'd expect a tactic like that from. Just throwing this out there, but I'd hazard a guess that the big power cables feeding the laser system are probably in the same place as the other big power and data cables feeding the other hardware in the head. Forgive me for pointing out the obvious, but these books are meant to be supplements to the animation, not vice versa. ... and, in the animation, the lasers don't do a very good job against the Octos units. The one Roy destroys blows up because Roy gets CRAZY lucky and manages to land a hit on an open missile launcher with a live warhead still in it. Earlier in the very same scene (Macross Zero ep4 ~8:30) we see him shooting at the actual armor of those two Octos units with his lasers and doing no damage until he hits an exposed missile. Now, I dunno about you, but seeing Roy's VF-0S try and fail to damage two Octos units with its lasers and seeing the shots bounce off without causing damage is pretty cut and dry proof that the VF-0's lasers don't have the necessary oomph to damage energy conversion armor of the same general power level. I'm really not sure how to make an argument any more definitive than that.
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Do I even need to point out how ridiculous the idea of doing ANYTHING stealthily in a giant robot is? Even in Zentradi terms, the VF-1 Valkyrie is BIG. Mind you, Master File isn't even remotely consistent on this note... VFMF: VF-19 says the VF-19's head-mounted weapons are powered directly by its engines. It'd be understandable in the VF-0's case, since that mecha has to rely on ordinary turbofans for power, but the idea that the VF-1's operating power requirements are SO tight it can't spare 0.4% of its net power output to charge its laser weaponry borders on the absurd. I could understand the capacitor if it was used to power the gun in emergencies and was being constantly recharged by the engines during normal operation, but for it to be the only source of power for the gun is just nuts... even where the VF-0 is concerned. If they've got enough juice kicking around to run the plane's engines at 200% for any period of time at a moment's notice, they can spare the 5MW necessary to fire those lasers at full power directly during operation. It also, as I've said, doesn't support what we see in the show regarding sustained firing of the lasers as an improvised cutting tool. If this is the case, it doesn't augur well for the VF-4 either... its engines aren't much better than the VF-1's in terms of output, and its beam weapons are its main armament. If asking for 0.4% of the overall reactor output is a step too far, I'd hate to be caught flying a plane where that's my main close-range defensive option if I've got at most 15 seconds of use in them. But we see it being used as a cutting tool on multiple occasions in the original series alone, and that would seem to indicate that at least someone in the design team was considering the possibility of using it for other purposes. Again, we never hear any mention of the gun running out of ammo... only of it overheating. As noted above, even Master File gives us a clear-cut example of head-mounted beam weaponry being powered directly by the mecha's reaction engines. Insofar as whether the VF-0's built-in laser weaponry would give it a significant edge over the SV-51... I doubt it. Questions of how it's powered aside, the VF-0's lasers don't appear to have the necessary "oomph" to do damage to ECA-equipped mecha. IIRC, they had little in the way of success against Octos units, and the bulk of those were powering their ECA and other systems with a diesel-turbine engine.
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... and it's inexplicable stuff like that which makes me heartily glad that what's in Master File isn't part of the official setting. The wording here is a bit unclear, did you mean the VF-0 or VF-1 has the capacitor... because it would make no sense in the VF-1's case. Yes, the dialogue in "Blind Game" indicates that Max's laser is about to overheat while being used as a cutting tool. There's no mention of capacitors or the lasers running low on (or out of) power. Having such an aggressively short operation time would make the lasers next to useless as a cutting tool if it required long-term operation (and slicing a battroid-sized hole into a hatch certainly does). The VF-0 could easily justify having such a capacitor, but for a VF-1 that's sitting on two 650MW reactors, they've got more than enough juice to do away with such a thing.
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But... but... that's not Tommy's doing! You heard what he said, it's those horny Korean animators who made it that way! Now, the subject of Robotech's technological progression and the steadily deteriorating capabilities of the Earth forces mecha is something I've been badgered about a lot lately. The way so many Robotech fans out there will never take a straight answer when there's a baseless theory to be had never ceases to amaze and disappoint me. It's oddly impressive the way veteran Robotech fans have come up with so many ways to justify selectively throwing out any canon source that's inconvenient to whatever theory they've come up with. Really, I've half a mind to say the majority of Robotech fans aren't really Robotech fans at all... but rather, are Robotech fan fiction fans. (Of course, that's kind of pushing it... since Robotech itself could easily be called Carl Macek's post-facto attempt at pseudo-official Macross fan-fiction)
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Oh, naturally... but I like to think of it as the good people at Warner Bros doing us all a solid by indirectly calling a halt to Harmony Gold's plans for another pathetic direct-to-video Robotech movie. By purchasing the rights for a live action Robotech movie, no doubt for a pittance, they've prevented Tommy Yune from perpetrating another two hours of his revolting Robotech II: the Sentinels fan-fiction on the world. Hell, in this scenario the only ones who don't come out ahead are the Robotech fans who've got their heads stuck up their asses... also known as Tommy's suck-up brigade. Aside from those nuts, everybody wins... Robotech fans don't have to suffer through it, and Macross fans don't have to suffer the humiliation of being associated with it, however distantly. Oh yes, because a failure to explicitly deny an obviously ridiculous conspiracy theory validates it... right? To be honest, some days I'm not sure if you're honest when you say things like this or if you're trying to troll us and just not doing a very good job. Now, I'm going to do something unforgivable here... I'm going to bust out the most powerful weapon anyone can bring to bear against a statement like this: context. Yes, the idiot moderators at Robotech.com did lock the thread about MAXIM model Sarah Mulch being in the RT live action movie... but did you bother to note WHY they locked it? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't because it was some crazy fanboy theory. It was locked because it was a redundant thread. They already have a dedicated thread for casting speculation. They've let crazy fan theory threads run for ages without locking them, and this Earth Defense Force rubbish is no different. It's not a redundant thread, and it's HG volunteer mods stirring up hype with lies to keep the fans from slipping into a "bugger-all's happening" coma. Wanz, calling that thread a debate of any kind is giving it far more credit than it deserves. Hell, that happened long before Tommy noticed that Robotech's technological continuity is completely broken and that the mecha get progressively less capable with each passing generation. Prior to the "retcons" he imposed to try and impose a sense of technological advancement (rather than deterioration) on the timeline, I probably wouldn't have been at all surprised if, two or three more alien invasions down the road, the Earth forces were left to fight off a new alien invasion with the REF's new state-of-the-art weapons... heavy rocks and harsh language.
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I didn't say they would have to... I said if they would probably do it if they wanted the target audience (i.e. people who aren't Robotech fans) to take the movie seriously. Anyone with an internet connection could look Robotech up on Wikipedia and easily learn about the legacy of failure and incompetence it drags around in its wake like a bit of bog roll stuck to its shoe. If your target audience decides to skip the flick because it's based on a downright camp-tastic series that spent the last 25 years on a sequence of attempts to make itself popular and/or relevant that all ended in embarrassing failures, then you're not doing a very good job marketing it, are you? Earth Defense Force seems to be nothing more than an "original" movie with a thoroughly unoriginal premise. Aliens attack Earth, they ruin our sh*t, and then humanity builds up a force to fight back the next time they show up. If it were the Robotech live action movie in disguise, you can bet Harmony Gold wouldn't be keeping quiet about it. They'd be tossing each other off with glee and touting the chance that someone with actual talent (however minimal) is involved with the project as proof that Warner is actually taking Robotech to be some kind of potential blockbuster. In short, even putting aside things like common sense and the news articles about Raimi's project that make it painfully obvious Earth Defense Force isn't Robotech, the simple lack of "See, we're actually getting something done for once!" from Harmony Gold is ironclad proof that Earth Defense Force has nothing whatsoever to do with Robotech.
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Uh... well, part of the reason for your confusion is that you're mixing traits from two different versions of Britai. The DYRL designs have supplanted the TV series designs in many respects, and Britai's is one of them (as shown in Macross 7 and Macross Frontier). The Britai design for the Super Dimension Fortress Macross TV series had a faceplate that was basically nothing but an elaborate eyepatch. The art from the series (Entertainment Bible 27 pp119) indicates that his eye is still there, but it appears to be misaligned (ala Strabismus) and possibly blind. How his eye came to be that way isn't stated... it could be the result of battlefield injury, or it may be a congenital defect. The other commanders we see in the TV series don't have that same eyepatch. By the opposite token, the version of Britai from Macross: Do You Remember Love? sports a faceplate that appears to be a functional cybernetic prosthetic. The movie shows it with a few flickering lights, and something that is clearly a lens under the protective cover. Other commanders we see sport similar modifications (Boddole Zer, Ogotai, etc.) and in Macross's parallel world continuity (Macross II et. al.) those are pretty unambiguously shown to be a cybernetic prosthetic. Whether commanders like Britai are fitted with them before they go into active service is unclear, but there is one known instance of one being fitted to replace an eye lost in combat. In the Macross II prequels, Quamzin narrowly survives his fight with Roy, and when he next appears in 2036 he's sporting a new cybernetic eye to replace the one he lost in 2010. (Macross Frontier's Temjin may be a thinly veiled reference to this and Kamjin's loss of an eye in the original series)
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Yes, we do... after all, we've been watching the Robotech idiot brigade do precisely that ever since news of the movie deal first came to light back in 2007. Oh, naturally... the Robotech fandom is nothing if not eager to accept baseless speculation by random fans over hard evidence from reliable sources. If it weren't for that, they would've had very little to talk about for the past 25-odd years. Endless retreads of the same handful of topics that already have official answers like "How does protoculture work?" and "Where was the SDF-2?" are, along with the periodic witch hunts, practically the official pastime of the Robotech fandom. They make up garbage like that because it's the only thing they can do, since Harmony Gold can't say anything about the Robotech live action movie project and Warner Bros doesn't seem to consider the film anywhere near as important as Harmony Gold wants the fans to think they do. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's a fandom that subsists almost exclusively on fans BSing each other and being BS'd by the franchise owners... that they'd start BSing each other in the absence of actual news about a project allegedly in development is par for the course.
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The computer and electronics super geek thread
Seto Kaiba replied to azrael's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Huh... that's a new one on me. I've never been able to get Windows Media Player to behave properly when I'm trying to play videos in exotic formats, so that's not exactly a huge surprise. I'm kind of surprised that you're not getting good results with Media Player Classic tho, since several of my friends practically swear by it. If you have CCCP, then you ought to be in good shape. If it's working in VLC, then you ought to have a good time of it. I've been using a mix of VLC and ZoomPlayer, mainly because VLC tends to chug a bit when the subtitles get moving too quickly. -
Granted, they would have a hard time marketing it as a Robotech movie if they changed the name to something else... but as we've all seen, the only people you market Robotech stuff to and expect them to care is Robotech fans. It's supposed to be a reimagining anyway, so giving it a less corny title would probably do a lot for those whose unenviable job is to promote that turd... especially by separating it from Robotech's dire reputation. Oh, it's pretty much a given that EDF isn't Robotech in disguise... it's just that EDF's plot appears to have some superficial similarities to Robotech's teaspoon-shallow overarching story. Coincidence... not proof of a link. It's probably safer to assume they'd think of the pool cleaning apparatus before the TV series if you asked if they'd heard of Robotech. Oh good grief... do you EVER read other people's posts before you reply to them? It should be fairly clear from my post that I'm saying there's no chance in hell that Earth Defense Force "might be" Robotech in disguise... seeing as I said pretty much exactly that in the very first sentence of the post you quoted.
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The computer and electronics super geek thread
Seto Kaiba replied to azrael's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Huh... well, it would be helpful if you gave us a little more information about the codec and player setup you're using to play the video files, and how the files themselves were encoded. Without that, it's going to be rather difficult to help you address the problem. The recommended setup for most fansubs is to use either VLC Media Player, Media Player Classic, or ZoomPlayer, with the Combined Community Codec Pack. If you're using ZoomPlayer, the solution is simple enough... right click anywhere on the playback area, then go to "Stream Selection" and change the selection from "Original Picture" to "Flipped Picture" or vice-versa. In VLC, you need go to the Preferences menu (Tools > Preferences), change the settings mode to "Advanced", then go to Videos > Filters > Transformation and change the transformation type to "Flip Vertically" in the dropdown menu, or change it back if it somehow got set that way unintentionally. For other players, you might have to tinker with DirectVobSub directly (assuming you're using CCCP). -
No... as Gubaba said, the Macross II: Lovers Again OVA is a sequel to the movie Macross: Do You Remember Love?. Macross II belongs to a parallel world continuity separate from that of the Super Dimension Fortress Macross TV series and the other Macross sequels. In DYRL and Macross II, the Supervision Army doesn't exist. Instead, the Zentradi were at war with their female counterparts, the Meltrandi. The Mardook are something else entirely.
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Not a chance... if it was, you can bet your ass Harmony Gold would be crowing about it and citing it as proof that they haven't just been sitting around with their thumbs up their asses eight hours a day. Nah... if the execs at Warner Bros want to market Robotech and have the audience take the ads seriously, the first thing they'd probably do would be to part company with the Robotech name and the twenty-five year legacy of incompetence and failure inextricably associated with it.
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Yeah, it is... but didn't you notice how quickly his tune changed once MEMO started backing him? He went from loudly complaining about how horrible Shadow Chronicles is and how Tommy's ruining Robotech to defending it all and directing his bile at Tommy's enemies critics surprisingly fast.
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Dunno... but given my own experiences with TalkShoe's ineptly-programmed services, I'm inclined to suspect it counts any search for the podcast title on iTunes as a download. Either that or he sits there every day that he posts a new podcast and hammers away at the download/refresh button to run his numbers up so he can say he's got "6000 lessoners". I think the most people anyone's ever seen listening to him live is six, who were all present to troll the hell out of his show. Ordinarily, nobody bothers to listen to him live even though his shows are all nominally an open-format call-in type podcast. Probably the most attention his podcast ever got during a live session was when PodCrashers came to troll it and he assumed it was me and HappyPenguins and a few others working under aliases. Like his hero Tommy Yune, little Dougie's a preening egotist... an odd trait for someone who, at age 28, works full-time at the sort of minimum-wage job normally reserved for high school students and reportedly lives in his mum's basement. Since he's invested so much of his pride in his e-penis, I suppose it's only natural he feels a little threatened by all the ground JT's Protoculture Times has gained by having a host who's neither a massive tosser nor a Harmony Gold sycophant.
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Well... to explain it without delving too deeply into Macross 7's backstory, the Supervision Army is a military force made up of Protoculture people (and presumably Zentradi as well) who were captured and then brainwashed by the Protodeviln to help them harvest life energy from people. (The Protodeviln are a series of seven prototype super-bioweapons made for the Protoculture's civil war and based on the Zentradi that were possessed by energy beings from super dimension space which need to feed on life energy ("spirita") to sustain themselves in the material universe) As to why we never see them in Macross, except for the pre-reconstruction Macross and the similar wrecked ship Britai's ship encounters later on when they set out to capture a factory satellite, it's presumably because they're still fighting with the Zentradi elsewhere in the galaxy, and by all accounts are losing the war... since Britai was basically carrying out mop-up operations when he found the Macross in 2009. It could be argued that the enemy force in Macross 7 (Varauta Army) is basically a "new Supervision Army" though, since it's made up of spirita-drained and brainwashed people and headed by the Protodeviln.
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Dunno... he's probably American, since practically everyone in Robotech's Macross Saga is. He's supposed to be Claudia's brother or something like that, so I guess he's supposed to be black.