Seto Kaiba
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That's the CHM-2 high-speed missile. Isamu fires a pair of them at Guld during the opening stages of their dogfight over Earth. AFAIK, the only place they've been identified is in Variable Fighter Master File: VF-19 Excalibur, on page 70.
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It has a VF-1 body... maybe a misdrawn variant?
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Flashback 2012 Megaroad-01's demise
Seto Kaiba replied to needforspeed's topic in Movies and TV Series
Er... as far as I'm aware, Megaroad-01 was not responsible for colonizing Eden. That was done by one of the hundred-something short-range colony fleets, which were launched starting in the same year Eden was discovered (2013). While there are a good few ways Megaroad-01 could have been destroyed, like wandering too close to a black hole, getting trapped in fold space, or coming out of a fold jump inside the photo-evaporation sphere of a giant star, I've never felt that it was even remotely likely that Megaroad-01 and its attendant fleet of escorts was wiped out. After all, this isn't Gundam we're talking about. Macross tends to be a lot more optimistic and upbeat about humanity's future prospects, and doesn't usually go in for murdering, maiming, or traumatizing every last bloody cast member. Hikaru and Misa have had their happy ending, and sailed off into the proverbial (if not literal) sunset. I like to think that they've simply gotten lost, and either blundered into the remnants of the Protoculture (and are giving them a richly deserved telling-off for screwing up the galaxy) or found a nice world and settled down... a world some New UN Spacy ship will eventually stumble upon. -
Some of the art by Tenjin does include "UNSS" for spaceships in the markings of VFs.
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Macross Chronicle had a map of the rough locations of the Grand Cannon systems on Technology Sheet 08A. It's printed kind of small, and the circle's on the big side, but Grand Cannon I appears to have been situated in eastern Alaska, near the Canadian boarder, in the general vicinity of the Yukon-Charlie Rivers National Preserve. Grand Cannon II appears to be right in Queensland, Australia, west of the Mount Rosie Resource Reserve. Grand Cannon III seems to be somewhere in the Democratic Republic of Congo, west of Lake Victoria. Grand Cannon IV is on the moon, and Grand Cannon V appears to be in the vicinity of Sinop, Brazil. As far as the location of Macross City, the Macross Compendium has it as being in Alaska, east of Grand Cannon I... meaning that it's probably near the border of what used to be the Yukon.
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Eh... a few fun tidbits here and there in various publications, usually in the description of how some other model of VF related to its design came into being. I've poked at the YF/VF-24 bit in Master File a bit, but I've never finished it. sketchley would probably be the one most likely to have gone over it in detail. AFAIK, there isn't an official count... there's probably loads of missiles in there, maybe something like 90 a side the way Master File says there are in the VF-25's Super Pack?
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Using the available evidence, that the gun pods are relying upon OTM-enhanced chemical propellants seems like a slam dunk. After all, we have an explicit reference to chemical propellant as the primary motive force behind the SSL-9B's 55mm AP rounds, and if the regular gun pods weren't using chemical propellants, why would so many of them be ejecting large quantities of shell casings? They might not be going into huge amounts of detail, but we've got enough to call a spade a spade...
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Well, to be fair, the SSL-9B Dragunov 55mm Anti-Armor Sniper Rifle is not a true railgun. The way it's described, it's actually a synthesis of railgun and (OTM-enhanced) conventional chemical cartridge technology. The same is probably true for Macross R's Queadluun-Alma "rail rifle" as well. IINM, the Macross II VFs are the only ones lugging pure applications of railgun technology as a gun pod. A few times, I've mulled over the "cartridge-less" description of the GV-17L and thought "Maybe the bullet's propelled by some other, non-electromagnetic means". The idea I kept coming back to there was that it might be propelling bullets using a high-intensity laser like the needle guns from WH40K... EDIT: Oh, and I did find that thing you asked me to look for.
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1. Yes to both, according to the existing information for the YF-21/VF-22. 2. I believe so, yes. I'll admit to being a little behind on Frontier-related publications lately, but the sources I have do not specifically describe the number of micro-missile launchers, and only state that micro-missile launchers are present. 3. As far as I am aware, no.
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IIRC, isn't it mentioned that Macross Galaxy converted its food production entirely to artificial foodstuffs in the interests of efficiency? The way it was described, it sounded like the Chemical Plant-type Macross Galaxy still had some of the support ships that weren't present in the Macross Frontier fleet...
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For a little bit, anyway... irony of ironies, I've been helping run a Macross 7 MUSH while I've been away. I, for one, like the new banner. Valkyrie II by Tenjin, Ishtar by Mikimoto? Can't fight that. EDIT: I am totally saving a copy of that, since I know it won't last.
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Be careful what you wish for...
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Wait... did veef just come to the defense of Macross II? Now I've seen everything. You'll probably have a better time with Macross II: Lovers Again if you watch it with subtitles... the English dub was pretty terrible, due in large measure to it being a simultaneous America-Japan release from the early days of (mostly) faithful dubbing.
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Well, there's probably a good reason for that... IIRC, Macross Plus was developed as a stand-alone title rather than a Macross OVA, and it was "adopted" into the Macross universe to get the funding to fully realize Kawamori's plans for it. Macross 7 and the titles that followed all really try to mix things up and go in different directions... sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not so good. Macross II: Lovers Again was, I guess, the last traditional Macross show before the universe started to really branch out. I used to hate Macross 7 with a passion, to the point where it took the epicness that was Macross Frontier to convince me that Macross was still a viable property. Once my grasp of Japanese improved to the point where I could watch it without needing subtitles, it got better. What really causes problems for a lot of people watching Macross 7 after seeing the stuff that came before is that the more serious tone we got in Macross II and Macross Plus puts you in completely the wrong mindset to enjoy Macross 7. Macross 7 is a lot like its contemporary cousin Mobile Fighter G Gundam... if you go into it all "Serious Business", then you're doing it wrong and you're only going to hate it. You have to suspend the expectation of a serious story and just enjoy the spectacle of the show going over the top and breaking all the rules. Macross II: Lovers Again gets a lot of flak from Macross 7 crowd for the opposite reason... where Macross 7 was taking big risks and pushing envelopes with almost unnatural vigour, Macross II was very much playing it safe and taking no chances. Possible, IMO, but unlikely... early production art from the OVA (printed in Animage and other magazines) suggests that the thing uppermost in his mind when they were conceiving Macross II was probably his own novelization of DYRL. There's some beautiful art of a DYRL Macross with the Daedalus and Prometheus still attached in the same issue where they showcased Kazumi Fujita's early version of the Valkyrie II.
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Well, there is kind of a connection there... but only really in that they both use brainwashed troops. The Supervision Army supposedly uses (used?) a mixture of brainwashed Protoculture and Zentradi, where the Mardook use only brainwashed and cybernetically modified Zentradi soldiers.
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's all right, I figured it was pretty unlikely that you'd said that. That's why my statement started with "if". You wouldn't be so incautious as to leave me an opening to jump out and go "AHA!". Yeah, in a way, Macross II is kind of like Macross comfort food... it's the last one to follow on the tone and "feel" of the original, before things pulled a 180 and went into exploratory mode starting with Macross Plus. I'm sure a lot of folks would say that's not really in keeping with that time-honored Macross tradition of radically reinventing things with every major new title, but to some of us (myself included) think having the familiar tone is a point in its favor.
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Uh... if the podcast said that, they really missed the mark. Macross II: Lovers Again had Sukehiro Tomita in charge of the writing, and he was most assuredly NOT new to the Macross universe at the time. Nah, they're not nearly weird enough. Well... that's complicated. The "Booby Trap" situation is said to have occurred, but the early cut scenes in the DYRL? video game came way after Macross II came out, so it's doubtful that version of events could be considered canon to the Macross II alternate universe. The SDF-1 Macross was, in Macross: Do You Remember Love? and its nominal sequel Macross II: Lovers Again, originally a Meltrandi gun destroyer.
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No, the Supervision Army doesn't exist in the Macross II: Lovers Again timeline... which takes its origins from the version of Space War 1 that was shown in Macross: Do You Remember Love?. Instead of the Supervision Army, the Zentradi were fighting against the Meltrandi after the gender-related schism that split the Protoculture in two. The Mardook are strongly implied to be the descendants of one of the groups of the Protoculture who fled the collapse of their civilization, like the ones that settled on Earth before the war found them. The creative staff which worked on Macross II never comes right out and identify the origins of the Mardook, but the interviews they gave in various magazines paint them as an advanced interstellar civilization that reveres its own culture as sacred and possesses technology superior to the Zentradi. That rather narrows the field...
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Yeah, it's that way in the Macross II universe as well... the Super Pack and Armored Pack were already proceeding into operational testing at the time Space War 1 broke out.
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Well, the Macross Chronicle mechanic sheet may use "defeated" instead of "destroyed", but the force dispositions given for the UN Spacy in February 2010 indicate only six ARMDs were in service at the time (ARMDs 3-, and it would appear that none of them survived. That was, I would assume, the intent... the Macross wasn't being launched to go fight a war right away, it wasn't like they knew they the ship would end up in the center of a massive space war. The Macross II universe has a different timeline, and one of the things that's somewhat different is the development history of the VF-1 Valkyrie. Some variants, such as the VT-1 and VE-1, have radically different backstories for Macross II's universe compared to what they have in the main Macross timeline.
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Ah, ok... that's one of the very first stages of the game. I dunno, I got a couple friends who really like the Metal Siren... but it doesn't really do much for me. Beautifully done kit tho.
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's been a while since I last played the Macross 2036 game, but IIRC that's the surface of the moon. They don't leave the Sol system in Macross 2036, since Quamzin led a Zentradi fleet there to deliver a curbstomping to the UN Spacy (which backfired). Pretty sure it's that old cliche.
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Eh? You sure you're not thinking of her younger sister Emilia from the main Macross universe there?
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Like sketchley said, the Macross's original mission was to be the flagship and first battleship of the UN Spacy's fleet protecting Earth... tho in Macross II's timeline, the specific mission the Macross was being prepped for when all hell broke loose was to conduct space operations testing on the VF-1 with the Super/Strike/Armored packs during its shakedown cruise.
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Where does it say that they did? (Really, if the Anti-UN had ships of their own, why'd they need to hijack an Oberth-class destroyer? They already had reaction weaponry, and weren't at all shy about using it, so they didn't need it for the ordinance.)