Seto Kaiba
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Err... terry, you got a couple false assumptions here. First, that tidbit isn't from Macross's production materials... the SDF-3 allegedly being Britai's old ship is something that comes to us from the "Sky Angels" VF-1 Valkyrie tech manual. That book's a doujinshi, and one that was published the year after Super Dimension Fortress Macross finished its initial broadcast run. It's not, AFAIK, something that shows up in the show's production notes. The Master File series picked it up because it's a spiritual successor to the Sky Angels book, and copies a lot of material out of Chiba's work on the doujinshi... but Master File also self-identifies as not part of the official Macross setting. Second, what you referred to as the gunboat diplomacy theory and trojan horse theory in Macek's "original" work aren't theories... both of those are actually things explicitly mentioned in Macek's (unmentionable) series. The gunboat diplomacy thing comes up as the mission of the SDF-2 in Macek's loose adaptation of Macross, and the trojan horse thing is discussed in what little footage was completed for Sentinels. The WOLFPACK thing is a coincidence... or an unrelated homage to the real-world squadron.
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A fair point... though I thought that was because "Macross 13" was a code name assigned to Macross warships that didn't officially exist or something to that effect? On a side note, it appears Macross Chronicle's revised edition corroborates the SDF-3 = Megaroad-02 stance on Worldguide 12C's (Super Long-Range Emigrant Fleets) back side. (A friend pointed this one out to me, courtesy of sketchley's website.)
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Nah, the UN Forces had a couple manufacturing bases that survived the war intact even before they went out capturing a bunch of factory satellites in Britai's ship. Specifically, they still had the L-5 Manufacturing Station at Earth-Moon L5 (the shipyard which built the ARMD-class space carriers) and the Apollo Base yards on Luna (which were building the SDF-2). According to the series chronology, three months from the war's nominal conclusion in March 2010, shipbuilding activities had resumed at the Apollo Base yards... six months before Britai's old ship was recommissioned as the first new battleship of the post-war UN Forces space fleet. Also, based on the information we have for the Megaroad-class, construction of both SDF-3 Megaroad-02 and SDF-4 Megaroad-03 had begun in September 2010, three months before Britai's ship was recommissioned into the UN Spacy's service... meaning SDF-3 would've already been assigned for three months at the time Britai's ship was to formally enter UN Forces service.
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I know that pain only too well... Er... no, I'm afraid not. Look again at that screen capture I posted. Based on that diagram from Macross Frontier, the designation SDF-003 (SDF-3) was assigned to the colony ship Megaroad-02, second ship of the Megaroad-class. That ship wasn't launched until two years after Megaroad-01, and was the core of a whole separate colony fleet, as corroborated in that in-series graphic. Megaroad-01 has its own separate marker on the chart, as you see, just to the left of Megaroad-02 in that capture. The graphic doesn't show escort ships or anything like that, it only shows all the long-distance emigrant ships progress through the galaxy. All the Megaroad-class ships in the graphic have the offset-by-1 SDF designation (SDF-3 Megaroad-02, SDF-10 Megaroad-09, etc.)
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Gubaba hit the nail on the head there... they show Megaroad-01 as SDF-002 as well, so it seems to be just formatting in their presentation. Also, wasn't Megaroad-01 a military-led expedition anyway? Misa was its captain, anyway... I think I threw up a little in my mouth when I read that... lol, yeah... that's a bad one. Hopefully the mass-produced Macross-class ships were not put into the same fleets with Megaroad ships that shared the same number. IIRC, they made twelve of the mass production Macross-class SDFNs too... though we've only seen two for sure (SDFN-4 and SDFN-8, my pet theory is that in-universe DYRL was filmed with SDFN-1). I dunno... the reason the Megaroad-class apparently inherited the SDF designation was that the original ship of the class was originally laid down as a second Macross-class ship, so the convention theoretically predates the commissioning of Britai's old ship into the UN Forces space fleet.
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Eech... yeah, that's a bloody mess. My gut reaction would be to go with the SDF-3 being a Megaroad-class ship since that comes from a show, as the Master File books self-identify as not part of the "official setting", but I could see a decent argument for going either way. I'm not sure if I'd call the diagram in the show "most reliable" so much as "least suspect".
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Er... so... I may have actually validated the complaint that Britai's ship CANNOT be the SDF-3. This is awkward. This is from 2 minutes, 27 seconds into the "Yak Deculture" edition of Macross Frontier episode 1. Note the circled ship marker... Megaroad 02 and the marking below it, SDF-003. EDIT: Just for shiggles, the other ships visible are Megaroads 1, 4, 6, 9, and 13, and Macross-1, -3, -5, -7, and Frontier. There's also a fun screwup when they get to showing Eden, and two Macross-17's are shown.
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There's a lot of stuff from the Variable Fighter Master File's VF-1 books that came right out of the Sky Angels book, so I figured this tidbit could've as well... and just our luck, it turns out it did. Can't believe I didn't notice it before now. Oy vey... one of those. Had a fun run-in with a bloke like that not too long ago who clearly picked the title of the first Macross publication he could think of when prompted for his source. Unfortunately for him, the first title that popped into his head was that of a Macross 7 h-doujinshi. I wonder what he thought the SDF-3 was? A Megaroad-class ship, most likely... considering the Megaroad ships we see in that little galactic chart in the first few episodes of Frontier ARE all marked "SDF".
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Aaaactually... I think I just re-found where you might've originally seen it, and it IS quite an old mention. Not sure if it's common knowledge, though, since this is probably the first thread I've seen where it was put forward as a fact (though it does make very good sense to me). Like I said earlier, the bit I'd always heard was that Britai's ship was one of the ones that left in the military's escort fleet for the SDF-2 Megaroad-01. Problem is, it's not in the Compendium... but in a really old book. The old Macross Journal Extra: VF-1 Valkyrie Special Edition "Sky Angels" book also makes an offhand mention that Britai's old ship became the SDF-3. I found it in a chart of squadron assignments on page 13 of the book, which lists it as being home to a pair of VF-1 squadrons: the VF-43 Challengers and VF-302 Stallions. The book's date of publication is given as 27 May 1984, so I guess it really has been around for a very long time...
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Well, yes and no... the bit about it being recommissioned as the first new battleship of the postwar UN Forces fleet is there, and it doesn't directly contradict what's said in Master File about Britai's ship being redesignated the SDF-3, but it also doesn't offer any real confirmation of the contentious bit either. It's certainly likely and it would make a lot of sense, IMO, the same as a lot of what we get in Master File... but it's not an airtight case. (Yeah, I'm splitting hairs...)
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Hm... I'd forgotten about Macross VO. Still, what gripe could Macross fans have with it? I'm legitimately drawing a blank... other than that it's not a human-built ship. The RT fans... their issues with it are probably just the usual ailment. If you are, then I am too... I'll admit to a morbid/voyeristic interest in seeing just how they're freaking out. It is... though they did throw us a tiny bone with the NUNS 33rd Marines in Macross Frontier. Didn't Kawamori say something to that effect in an interview at one point tho?
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Hm... while I could absolutely see people raising one of the two following contradictions about it, which might inspire disbelief at the most, I'm baffled that that'd receive a hostile reaction from anyone except that one group we're not supposed to talk about. The potential contradictions I'm thinking of are: In Macross: Flashback 2012, the retrofitted Nupetiet Vergnitzs-class ship with that odd bridge tower that leaves with the SDF-2 Megaroad-01 is [supposed to be/generally believed to be] Britai's old ship. That opening bit in the first couple episodes of Macross Frontier shows the SDF moniker as belonging to the Megaroad-class (though I don't recall if it actually shows a SDF-3 there... I know it shows higher numbers). For the former case, it actually makes a fair amount of sense that it'd get a battleship/dreadnaught designation like SDF since Britai's ship was supposed to have been the first Zentradi battleship recommissioned into UN Spacy service. It'd be a nice gesture to the Zentradi living on Earth too. 'course, me bein' a big Macross II fan and all... the idea of the postwar UN Spacy using captured/defecting Zentradi ships as the center of their fleet isn't exactly something eyebrow-raising for me, y'know? Maybe part of it is that the "main" chronology Macross stories don't really show Zentradi ships being used in the UN Spacy's forces in any prominent way (except for that one Neo Nupetiet Vergnitzs-class ship with Macross-5 in Macross 7 and the 33rd NUNS Marines in Macross Frontier)?
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There is nothing in this world quite as terrifying as having the trust of a multinational corporation.
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They say it the same way it's written... クラン・クラン. There's no "Gu" (グ) there, so it should be "Klan Klan".
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... there's that, yes. Other great misconceptions they're responsible for include there being no VFs between the VF-1 and VF-2 in timeline, the Macross II VFs being decades older than they actually are (and unable to fly in battroid mode), gunpods holding tens of thousands of rounds, or the Mardook being "ancient aliens" responsible for the Babylonian civilization.
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No problem! If you need my help with your project, I'm at your service. Pretty sure it's the US Renditions team we have to blame for that one.. though there are also a lot of misconceptions about the OVA that are on the head of Kevin Siembieda at Palladium Books.
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I really hope not... the Havamal paint scheme was selectable for every non-character VF model in the game... that's a LOT of repaints.
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Well, you automatically got major points with me for spelling "Mardook" correctly... almost nobody does. Unfortunately, I am not aware of any source that gives a glossary/dictionary of Mardook terms the way they did with some of the Zentradi language... though, to be fair, they're not really super-clear on whether Mardook is a distinct language from Zentradi or just a dialect thereof.
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Nope! The TP you earn after you max out the tuning on a Level 1 blueprint craft continue to accumulate and can be used toward tuning the aircraft further once you get the Level 2 and/or Level 3 version built.
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Hey all, I have kind of a random newbie question as someone who's only recently started to collect DX Chogokin VFs. (Curse you, Mr March... CURSE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUU!) 's there any consensus/recommendations on a suitable display case that can fit four or five normal-sized VFs and won't break the bank? I'd be excellent if it could fit the Macross Quarter. EDIT: Today is a bad spelling day.
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Dunno. If I had to guess, I'd say Bandai killed two birds with one stone by keeping the YF-30 exclusive to Leon Sakaki in Macross 30 to make it special and give the YF-29 greater exposure than it got in Sayonara no Tsubasa by giving the rival and some of the more beloved legacy characters access to their own versions as late-game upgrades. Looking at it from an in-universe standpoint, I think it's probably because the YF-29 is still really new and there's at most a year between Macross Frontier's conclusion and Macross 30. You need some ridiculously huge pieces of fold quartz to build 'em as well (IINM, a piece in Great Mechanics.DX said it needed one chunk of ultra high-purity fold quartz around 1,000 carats?). The Havamal forces might've built theirs on the sly too... Either way, I'm cool with it... I like all three of the Macross 30 character variants more than the Alto version from the movie.
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Eech... I'm sorry, I totally missed your second post where you clarified that. My bad. (Though you are right, I wasn't challenging you, I thought I'd missed an important tidbit that ought to go into my notes on the YF-29 for Mr March's use. Again, my apologies if I came off that way. I truly didn't mean to.) Yep! The YF-29B Percival is the signature mecha of Rod Baltemar, the Havamal ace pilot who fills the role of the main (player) character's rival in Macross 30. He's one of the last "boss" fights, a trench run-type level after the player (Leon Sakaki) gets his YF-30 Chronos. He's and some Ghosts are also the first fight in the game... pretty much the only time you use Leon's YF-25, and it's a "supposed to lose" fight. IIRC, it's New Game + that unlocks his YF-29B as a playable VF and his Havamal color scheme also becomes selectable on the VFs that aren't character-specific. That's the reason I wanna get it... I never really liked Alto's reddish YF-29 color scheme, but Rod's looks pretty good, and I liked him as a character enough that his YF-29B is totally a "MUST GET" for me.
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... don't recall anyone saying that in the Macross 30 game itself, and the print sources only say that it's an improved version of the YF-29 used by the aces of Havamal, a rogue New UN Forces special forces unit who are the principal antagonists of Macross 30. Can you source that statement? Edit: My bad. Yeah, I'm definitely gonna get one of these to go with my YF-29 Isamu and YF-30. (Man, ever since Mr March helped me get a YF-30, it's been hard to turn down some of these... I was never a toy collector before.) Actually, it IS supposed to have a bayonet... that's Rod Baltemar's YF-29B from Macross 30, which does have a bayonet on the gun pod in the game's 3D model for the fighter.
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Macross Chronicle. Edit: Sorry... I really shouldn't try to post from my phone while in the lab. It occurred to me this morning that I'd given you a vague and useless answer. The specific source is Macross Chronicle Worldguide 22A (same # in both editions) "Super Dimension Restaurant Nyan-Nyan". The sheet has a "Related Matter" section about the Yocchan's (Yoshio's) having grown up in the neighborhood around Nyan-Nyan before and after the first space war, become its manager, and grown it into an interstellar restaurant chain. It's a very bare-bones explanation, but there you have it. As far as Kaifun goes, you'd think he would've eventually settled down and inherited his parents restaurant in the wake of being dumped by Minmay, but he stayed in the music biz and eventually moved to the Macross-11 colony fleet and became the manager of an unauthorized English-language Fire Bomber cover band... Fire Bomber American.
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*nods* Though he does, IIRC, become the one to take over Nyan Nyan and turn it into an interstellar restaurant franchise... (The show-which-shall-not-be-named does identify them as relatives in its version of events.)
