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Yeah, the moving parts are held in place and rearranged with electromagnetic fields, rather than being in direct contact with each other. Our technobabble is arguably nicked from Star Trek and Gundam when it isn't based on real world theoretical technologies...
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Macross Δ (Delta) Mecha/Technology Thread - READ 1st POST
Seto Kaiba replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
The Free York Liberation League probably wasn't an entirely native group, but in Windermere's case it would appear that they'd be the kind of party that renegade anti-government forces would WANT to support since they can present a credible threat to the New UN Spacy's regional garrison forces at the very least. That is, of course, assuming that an unsubstantiated rumor from 2ch is actually accurate and the Windermerean fighters were in fact developed by engineers from Shinsei, General Galaxy, etc. who defected to anti-government forces in prior decades. Perhaps "Sv" is just how the New UN Spacy designates the fighters that were developed by factions other than the New UN Gov't... something like how the US military classified US-operated Russian and Chinese fighters under Project Constant Peg. -
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Oh, for a while anyway... after the government reorganized the chief anti-government threat was actually the leftover bits and pieces of Latence that escaped the purge after their failed coup d'etat in 2051. Ironically, the one splinter of that Earth supremacist group we've seen was actually a Zentradi-led affair with a leader whose enthusiasm for Earth culture put even Vrlitwhai to shame. The governmental reorg supposedly gave almost all of the anti-government groups exactly what they wanted on a silver platter... so it's actually kind of surprising that we're now back to a New UN Gov't member world accusing the central government of unequal trade and declaring a war of independence. (What with Ep6's hints that the accusations of unequal trade are a smokescreen for something else, it's possible the other worlds in the Brisingr cluster spotted that one for a load of BS.) -
Not really, no... like the power generation system, it's mostly mentioned in the marginal notes. (Like on page 36.) We know that it eliminated many of the moving parts in the transformation system outright, which were often the most difficult to repair, the most delicate, or the most prone to wear and damage. That alone is said to have greatly simplified maintenance, and improved durability and reliability.
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Macross Δ (Delta) - Mission 6 - READ 1st POST
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If there's one comprehensive explanation for the VF-19 and VF-22 supposedly being extremely expensive to build and operate, I haven't seen it. Various reasons are given in bits and pieces as part of the coverage of the various models of Valkyrie that supplanted them in the roles of main variable fighter, with most ultimately boiling down to it being a consequence of the fighter's excessively high performance... either in terms of the robustness of the materials or systems necessary to stand up to the high g-forces, the maintenance requirements involved in keeping those expensive systems from breaking down under all that high-g abuse, or the training costs involved in finding and acclimatizing pilots to operating under those high g-force loads. There are also one or two vague mentions of the requirement for high all-purposefulness that were either unreasonable or at least incompatible with the requirements for high performance. At the end of the day, it wasn't a fiscal beheading... it was a monetary death of a thousand cuts that made the VF-19 and VF-22 too pricey to operate in significant numbers. The joint Shinsei-General Galaxy YF-24 program and Shinsei's YF-24 Evolution program were basically a twenty year effort to find workarounds for the problems that had hamstrung 4th Generation Variable Fighter programs. The linear actuator system removed a lot of the most fragile, high-maintenance moving parts from the cost equation, the ISC solved the g-force problem at the pilot level, and EX-Gear improved control stability and reduced training times. The description of its operation in official sources is unhelpfully brief... but the gist of it seems to be that it smooths out the peaks and valleys in the curve of the pilot's experienced g-forces, buffering and then slowly releasing that energy back to the airframe in a controlled fashion. It sort of spreads out those g's so that the pilot doesn't experience a level of g-forces that could inhibit their control of the aircraft, cause injury, or damage the aircraft itself. I'm not certain if there's a level where the ISC is on hot standby instead of operating. There is a very detailed explanation of the ISC in Master File, but I have not translated that section yet.
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Macross Δ (Delta) - Mission 3 - READ 1st POST
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It's just one of Macross's favorite little callbacks... protagonists have been using "borrowed" Valkyries as civilians to save young women since the original series. ... so, let's go ahead and make the point that the complete opposite of that is explicitly true in pretty much every Macross series. Hikaru spent most of his first outing in a Valkyrie crashing into buildings, falling over, and generally making an arse of himself despite being a trained and highly-skilled stunt pilot. Shin Kudo likewise spends most of his time training for a transformable fighter falling over, crashing, and generally finding new ways to ensure the Asuka II's deck crew hate his guts. Hayate Immelman in Macross Delta has the good fortune to jump into a Valkyrie that was specifically designed to be easy for even average pilots to handle, but he explicitly notes that the controls (for battroid mode) are not much different from the controls for the Workroid he piloted at his day job in the Al Shahal spaceport. His fighter mode operation is lamentably bad, and he's still getting sh*t for it from his fellow pilots and the mechanics several episodes later. All of Macross's other protagonists came into their respective shows as highly-trained pilots with loads of prior experience operating Valkyries. Can't be because Macross is a Japanese series and music has always been an integral part of Macross's story... ... he's a fighter pilot, named after a famous German flying ace, whose love interest is a Jenius that flies a red plane. Do we really need to explain the obvious implications here? ... what? Because we've seen enough Macross shows to have a good feel for the tropes used in certain situations... This is a Macross series after all... Macross doesn't do irredeemable villains.- 238 replies
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Rod Baltemar is a pilot attached to the New UN Spacy Special Forces 815th Independent Squadron "Havamal". His callsign is Odin-1, his rank is Captain1, and he's the right-hand man to Havamal's commander: Colonel Ushio Todo. 1. In the Army/Air Force sense, not the Navy sense. 2. The system in which the emigrant planet Sephira is located, originally colonized by Macross-4.
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Macross Δ (Delta) - Mission 5 - READ 1st POST
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It was never used to colonize Eden to begin with... that's a fairly straightforward chronology error in Macross Chronicle, and is actually contradicted by remarks in an earlier part of the same sheet which contain the correct information. The graphic in Macross Frontier that likely prompted the error has many inaccuracies, in this case the problem being its omission of the (initially) more numerous short-range emigrant fleets. It was one of those fleets, which started launching 04/2013, that discovered and colonized the newly-discovered planet Eden. After all, it'd be rather difficult for Megaroad-04 to have done the deed when she wasn't launched until two years after the colony had been established. It'd also be a colossal waste of resources to use a large-scale long-distance emigrant ship to colonize a planet that's not even twelve light years away, which is a milk run by fold travel standards. Those ships were built to locate habitable worlds hundreds or thousands of light years away. SDF-5 Megaroad-04 was apparently the overachiever of the family, wandering something like a hundred thousand light years before finding Windermere.- 273 replies
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Macross Δ (Delta) - Mission 6 - READ 1st POST
Seto Kaiba replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
They're flight platoons, so presumably not more than 4-5 aircraft apiece. When they're shown coming up from the vicinity of the Aether, there appear to be six of them in total (3 in each?). Related to that... I noticed that the name of the long-range radar window is "HIBIKI.SYS". I wonder if this is a Macross II nod? -
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Nope... not as such. Usually stuff that Kawamori directly contributed to is considered to be "official", but Macross runs mainly on broad strokes continuity rather than any kind of rigidly defined canon. The Variable Fighter Master File books are unusual in that they explicitly disclaim their status as not being part of the Macross official setting on the credits page of each book. Various details in the books have been independently corroborated in official sources, but the lion's share is unofficial. (Some consider these highly detailed sources that are occasionally corroborated by official sources to have a kind of unofficial expanded universe status.) -
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Yeah, it looks like they might have a bulkier version of the self-rescue ejection seat that was installed in the Block 6 and later VF-1 Valkyrie... where verniers were fitted to the chair itself (on a pair of swing arms) to enable it to maneuver in a limited fashion. This is probably the first time they've officially acknowledged propellant limitations on a Valkyrie in-series... normally that kind of thing is purely the province of the printed material. Probably not loads of additional fuel in the boosters, considering they seem fairly small and are probably mostly missiles. Anti-government sentiment was by no means limited to only those who fought in the UN Wars... the Feios Valkyrie and Queadluun-Alma are credited to designers who defected to rogue Zentradi groups in later decades rather than die-hards from the long-defunct Anti-Unification Alliance. There was still some discrimination against Zentradi in the decades after the First Space War, and there's nothing that stirs up anti-establishment sentiment quite like legitimized discrimination. -
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Seto Kaiba replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
Master File isn't, strictly speaking, "official material"... the books are disclaimed with a statement that they're not official setting material. Probably shouldn't count Supika III either, as it was destroyed. The listing, which I compiled a while back, is of colonized worlds... Earth isn't a colony, it's the homeworld. That's why the moon, which was colonized, is listed but not Earth. As far as the episode goes, I was reasonably satisfied by this one. Mirage and Hayate have a few good moments together (go Team Mirage!), and we got some good mecha action. Feels a bit like Ep7 of Frontier, though it looks like next episode is going to be the point where the real meat of the plot is going to be laid bare. -
Oh, undeniably. It wouldn't do anything to help the VF-19's bank-breaking price tag, but the ISC alone would go a long way toward making the VF-19 something a military that isn't staffed entirely by combat cyborgs could operate in numbers. There probably wouldn't be a ton of interest, what with the YF-24 derivatives which were coming out in various fleets and being sold by those fleets to the NUNS garrisons of other fleets and planets, but it'd be viable in theory if not necessarily in practice. If it was going to adopt the VF-19 Custom's overtuned engines, I'd assume it'd also adopt the airframe reinforcements that pushed the g-limits to close to 40G.
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In the context of the stories that come both before and after it, I'd say that a more accurate way to think of it might be that the Macross Frontier TV series was a version of the story where the YF-29 wasn't necessary or perhaps wasn't ready in time for the war's conclusion... while the movie is a version where it was. There's no doubt that, in terms of the inter-series "broad strokes" continuity, the YF-29 most definitely exist[s/ed]. Without it, the YF-30 Chronos would not have been possible, as the YF-30's fold dimension resonance system was developed from the YF-29's fold wave system, and its FF-3001/FC2 engines and its beam gun pod were also further refinements of systems used on the YF-29. (Likewise, its rival aircraft, the YF-29B, just plain wouldn't exist.) The VF-31 Siegfried we were introduced to in Macross Delta was developed from the YF-30, so we'd be kind of up a creek without a paddle if the YF-29 was "non-canon".
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Looking back at it, I'm wondering if someone simply fudged the math in converting from kilograms-force to kilonewtons. Between Macross 7 and Macross the Ride, Macross as a whole went from citing thrust in kilograms-force to kilonewtons, and it would be far from the first Macross publication to screw up that unit conversion by rounding in the wrong place. IIRC, the VF-19A was actually equipped with the earlier model FF-2200 engines rated at 56,500kgf rather than the FF-2500E's rated at 67,500kgf. That puts the difference at a hair over 108,000kgf per engine. (The difference in thrust-to-weight ratio is about 2.5x, VF-19EF vs. VF-25.) As far as the benefits of installing an Inertia Store Converter on the VF-19, I'd think the most significant benefit would be the dramatic increase in the number of pilots able to handle the aircraft. Its Achilles heel always was that its maneuverability performance was so high that only the most experienced aces could keep the aircraft under control at anything close to its full potential because of the high g-forces. Insulating the cockpit from those high g-forces means removing, at a stroke, the chief limiting factor in the VF-19's operation. The VF-19's structural g-limit is 31G on the 1st production type and 35.5G on the 2nd... so the pilot would still feel some G's even if pushing the airframe all the way to its structural limit. Assuming the ISC's performance was the same as the type used on the VF-25, you would have to basically fly the airframe to pieces (which the super AI avionics wouldn't let you do unless you specifically disabled the limiters) in order to get close to a debilitating level of g-forces.
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Macross Δ (Delta) - Mission 4 - READ 1st POST
Seto Kaiba replied to azrael's topic in Movies and TV Series
As I pointed out over in another thread (the mecha/technology one), this sort of thing is actually old news and the Draken III would not be the first unit of this type to be featured in a Macross story. It'd be the fourth... IF this rumor from 2ch is actually true. As far as technological influence, that's not necessarily true... all of their designs have been built around stolen UN Forces technology. The usual development trajectory was to steal a current-gen UN Forces fighter, and combine its systems with more Zentradi overtechnology over the course of years until they achieved something on par with the next-gen fighter. (Even the Sv-51 was essentially just a repackaging of stolen UN Forces tech developments, stolen by D.D. Ivanov.) Mind you, the Draken III would be the first unit of this type to actually receive a "Sv" designation.- 285 replies
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He's been pushing that one for ages with respect to the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross and Do You Remember Love?, citing that neither was a strictly accurate depiction of the First Space War's events and the truth was somewhere inbetween. Also, weren't you the one who reported on his 30th Anniversary event declaration that all Macross titles were equally valid?
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OK, so... same source as all the other enemy Valkyries like the Variable Glaug and Feios. I suppose that would explain why the Draken III has an obvious design lineage to UN Forces Valkyries... all of their most successful designs have been based upon stolen (New) UN Forces technology, usually combined with much more Zentradi overtechnology than the (New) UN Forces use. Usually what they build ends up being on a roughly equal footing with the fighter one generation newer than whatever they nicked to build it. The exception being the Sv-51, which is based not on a stolen fighter but merely stolen development data. They built a 3rd Generation-equivalent fighter in the Variable Glaug using overtechnology from a stolen VF-4, they built a 4th Generation-equivalent fighter off systems from a stolen VF-11, and considering the GERWALK and Fighter mode designs of the Draken III I'd wager it's based off a stolen VF-171. -
The players in my Macross RPG got into the habit of referring to using overkill weaponry like the Valkyrie II's big anti-ship railgun, Strike Valkyrie's beam cannon, and the YF-29's MDE beam turret as "pressing the 'F*** YOU' button" because it was their preferred method for making problematic NPCs go away (often permanently).
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The only other known unit to mount that type of engine was the YF-19 No.2 prototype, for which the nominal tuning was approximately 660kN (661.949kN if we're being meticulous). Tuning it up to 697.5kN would be an improvement of a hair over 5%. (Curious choice on Isamu's part, downgrading from the proven FF-2550E to the less stable FF-2500.) ... 's not actually a Macross the Ride thing. Or, at least, not directly. Remember, "VF-19EF/A" was the new designation that Macross Chronicle assigned to the custom VF-19 that was used for Isamu's cameo in Macross Frontier's second movie. IIRC, it was originally known in the official art book as "VF-19 (SMS Ver.)" and in the novel as VF-19ADVANCE. I guess Chronicle's writers opted to make it a monkey model since Isamu couldn't exactly walk off with a New UN Forces main fleet grade VF-19.
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As with DYRL?, just because something first appears in the movie version of a story doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the broad strokes continuity that connects the various Macross stories to each other. You're confusing "doesn't appear" with "doesn't exist"... and also production history with in-universe chronology. This isn't exactly the first time they've added to an earlier Macross show's fighter's development history in a later Macross title. With titles chronologically on both sides of the Macross Frontier story arc clearly and explicitly indicating the YF-29 is in fact a thing (and, indeed, we wouldn't have the VF-31 if it wasn't) I see no reason to doubt its existence in the ongoing Macross universe. In all likelihood, the YF-29's relationship to the Macross Frontier TV series is no different than that of many DYRL? designs to the SDF Macross TV series... they exist, but many of them are representative of developments that occurred later or elsewhere. It's perfectly likely that the YF-29 existed on paper (in-universe) in the events of the Macross Frontier series and was simply not complete in time for the war's conclusion. ... so, besides the fact that Kawamori refuted the idea of the series and movies being separate universes, doesn't Macross the Ride being a prequel to the whole Macross Frontier arc kind of punch a gaping hole in your argument?
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How so? If we're talking about production/release dates, then we're golden because the references to the YF-29's data supposedly being used in development of the VF-27 come from works published months after Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa's theatrical release.
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Of course, that doesn't include the occasional case where failures of research or simple typographical errors led to moon logic-level explanations for what would otherwise have been fairly straightforward trivia. A disproportionate number of those errors belong to VF-19 sheets for reasons unknown, like that transposition error in the VF-19F/S engine numbers that went uncaught to the point that a paragraph of physics-defying nonsense attempted to explain it away or how all the performance-related claims on the VF-19EF/A Excalibur ADVANCE's mechanic sheet fall apart when you realize the numbers literally don't add up.* Not really a black hole, per se... more like a focused fold effect rendered into beam form. * In the VF-19EF/A Excalibur ADVANCE's case there's no clear explanation for how they managed to get grade school-level arithmetic so badly wrong. Its engine thrust is cited as having increased 10%, but the number cited is only 5.68% greater (110% of 660 is 726 not 697.5). Likewise, its net thrust of 1,395kN is NOT more thrust han the VF-25's 3,240kN, even though the article claims it is.
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The VF-27's gun pod is a bit of a head-scratcher too. The official writeup consistently mentions that it was initially a regular beam cannon and was upgraded to heavy quantum beam spec for anti-Vajra use. When, exactly, this upgrade occurred is not clear, as when Brera mentions the Vajra's ability to adapt in the Macross Frontier TV series (before the Frontier fleet started to upgrade its weapons for anti-Vajra use) he describes it as a heavy quantum weapon. Once the gun pod was upgraded, yeah... it would work on the same principles. Whether it's a more powerful weapon than the heavy quantum beam rifles used by the YF-29, YF-30, and presumably VF-31 is not clear. Size alone is not a guarantee of an energy weapon's power. I would assume that it's comparably powerful to the YF-29's, though the YF-30 (and presumably the VF-31) are said to use a new-and-improved model.
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