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Hm... that's a complex question. Most of the Generation 4.5 VFs in Macross were created either as stopgaps to improve performance enough to fight the Vajra (e.g. VF-171-IIIF and VF-171EX) or as test articles that were intended to evaluate technology intended for use in Generation 5 VFs. (Thinking about this really makes me want to go back and update my old .pdf for thrust-to-weight on all VFs.) It's kind of a skewed picture, when you look at it. Outside of the key areas where there were enormous advances in technology, most of which became the defining traits of the 5th Generation, performance didn't actually improve all that much between the Gen 4.5 and Gen 5 designs. I think you could make a case for saying that those key areas of advance on the Gen 5 designs enabled them to make much better use of what the Gen 4.5 and Gen 4 designs already had. The gulf between them is pretty big, but I think it's mostly built upon the advances in those key areas and without them the Gen 5 designs wouldn't be significantly better aircraft than the Gen 4.5s. Looking at it in terms of flight performance, the disparity is pretty enormous thanks to the improvements in engine technology and the advancements in man/machine interface tech and the introduction of the Inertia Store Converter that rendered them usable. Just in terms of thrust-to-weight ratio you're looking at a bare minimum 2:1 disparity if you compare the highest-end Gen 4 and Gen 4.5 VFs like the VF-19S against a typical Gen 5 VF like the VF-25A, VF-31A, or Sv-262Ba. Against a more typical Gen 4 or Gen 4.5 VF like a Block II VF-171 Nightmare Plus or a VF-19EF Caliburn you're looking at more like anywhere from 2.7:1 to 5.3:1. The more powerful engines also benefits the defensive capabilities, so even though armor material strength hasn't improved by leaps and bounds (barring the very limited introduction of advanced energy conversion armor) they're more durable because the existing armor material is being fed more power... like how the YF-29 achieves 4x the armor strength of a VF-25 by having twice the armor thickness and then supplying it twice the amount of power. (The implication that, within a given armor material, strength has a linear relationship to thickness and power consumption is rather helpful in and of itself.) The introduction of EX-Gear, ARIEL II avionics to capitalize on it, and the ISC also widen the gulf considerably by insulating the pilot from g-forces that would have been game-enders in previous-generation designs, which widens the gulf considerably. Augmentations like the fold wave system or the Draken III's reheat system just improve those already substantial areas of existing improvement even further by supplementing generator output with fold dimensional energy conversion or simply boosting thrust by 25%+. Weapons, sensors, etc. don't seem to actually be all that much better than what the Gen 4 and Gen 4.5 had, barring anti-Vajra equipment like the overkill gunpods, but it's that huge flight performance improvement that really makes the Gen 5s stand head and shoulders above their predecessors because it snowballs into other areas of performance.

Don't forget that these special mushrooms make small things much bigger... like that

Those are Tamiya Corp. Mini 4WD non-remote control racecars... customizable kit cars powered by little battery-driven electric motors. You can find them in many reputable hobby shops. They were fairly popular in America in the late 90's, though they were just referred to as "Tamiya cars" out here. I remember my younger siblings used to build and race those at our local hobby store. I believe the anime you're thinking of is Bakusō Kyōdai Let's & Go!!.

So, what you're telling us is the designer was on shrooms?

Given that they're not specifically described as a for-export variant (like the VF-19P) or as a locally-developed monkey model derived from a formal specification, they're almost certainly official New UN Forces variants. They're probably local spec versions of an official variant, so they might really bear a full designation along the lines of VF-19F/NM07 or something like that. (If nothing else, Macross 30: Voices Across the Galaxy gives you a New UN Spacy Havamal Special Forces paintjob for them in New Game+.)

Like I said back on the previous page, a lot of people were hoping for something resembling closure on the whole Windermere conflict. Having the movie be the originally-planned conclusion to the TV series would've given them that. As it is, the Macross Delta series didn't really come to an end, it just sort of... stopped. Once they'd blown up the Star Shrine, Heinz just ordered his troops to take their ball and go home. That's a bit of a first for Macross, not having the conflict end along with the series. So, naturally, since the TV series left its mecha-inclined viewers with great big giant robot blue balls and the original idea that was aired about the movie during planning of the series was for it to be the explosive climax to the series, a lot of people were hoping the movie would wrap up all the show's loose ends and maybe give us a couple of the nice, pretty dogfights the show resolutely refused to give us. Instead, we're getting a compressed version of a story a lot of us felt was lacking in a lot of areas... so there's an understandable lack of excitement. DON'T TEMPT FATE!

There was an internal memo going 'round the Utopia Planitia shipyards about how fidget spinners are huge in the Federation right now... and some shipwright got completely the wrong idea.

Looks like it is now. We need 30 committed buyers (at $300 a kit) for each design. After jorawar_b added your name for the Auroran and Spartas, we currently stand at 16 committed buyers for the Auroran and 15 for the Spartas. So we need another 14 buyers for the Auroran and another 15 for the Spartas. We need to keep spreading the word and hope we can grab s'more support.

I think a lot of us are going to be a bit disappointed with Macross Delta getting a recap movie... we were kind of hoping for some closure in the whole Windermere conflict, since Heinz taking his ball and going home at the end of the series is distinctly unsatisfying.

The VF-19F/S has such monstrous engine output for a 4th Generation VF that I rather suspect the engines weren't derated like the ones on the VF-19P were (allegedly in the name of extending cruising range). The VF-25 and YF-29 lack it, actually. What they have is just an ordinary thrust reverser. (It's labeled as "thrust reverser ring" in the diagrams.)

's kind of an unreasonable standard, isn't it? Barring the Robotech fan art you took exception to dumps of, until the prospect of a Moscato kit for Southern Cross emerged there really wasn't any realistic way to have a "real plan to get [something] done". Even if the companies that remember Southern Cross exists hadn't long since given it up as a lost cause, there isn't enough of a following to get the attention of the companies that already have a stake in related properties (Robotech) like Toynami, Kids Logic, etc., let alone garner the interest of uninvolved third parties like Arcadia, Bandai, and Evolution Toy.1 This kit is the best shot we have at actually getting something out there for Southern Cross... so by all means, support it. Please. Don't be shy. You wanna see something get done, this is your chance.

Voyager might count, given that...

I think editing the original post to remove the useless change.org petition and pruning the Robotech fan art would probably be sufficient.

Tryin' real hard not to be disheartened by this news, and it ain't workin'. I mean, there's a chance for improvement when they redo the story, but the story was such a mess in Macross Delta that I somehow fear that huge amount of room for improvement in the series means that the movie will take the story from "weak" to "passable" instead of from "great" to "fantastic". It'd be real nice if the balance was restored to the story so that it was actually Macross Delta and not Macross Walkure with special guests Delta Flight. From what I saw, the movies were generally quite well-received, particularly with the more balanced love triangle that gave Ranka even time instead of letting Sheryl seize the high ground from day one. Having a resolution to the love triangle seems to have had the usual modern anime problem of upset fans whose ship got sunk being pissed off, but otherwise folks being happy with it...

All right! Got consent from one board's admin. Apparently the lack of available Auroran and Spartas kits makes this an allowable exemption to their "no bootlegs" policy.

Yeah, they're passionate about what they do and they bring it across in their work. It'd be nice if we could reward that passion by getting some unofficial kits out there. We're still about fifteen shy for the Spartas and the Auroran, so spread the word if you can. Has anyone hit up the Vintage Anime Fans group on FB for "volunteers" yet? EDIT: Asked a couple other mecha board admins if it's OK to solicit backers for this project on their boards. Waiting on responses.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall during that little conversation... It's highly probable. The three VF-19s issued to Emerald Force were built locally by the fleet's own Three Star Heavy Industries factory ship after the restrictions were put in place. The one lingering question there would be what systems of the Macross 7 fleet's VF-19s had limiters added so they'd be compliant with the restrictions. (My money's on target acquisition, the same way the VF-19P was hobbled.) Well, "more" vernier thrusters might be a bit debatable... they actually did away with the individual verniers on the engine nacelles in favor of the full circumferential vernier around the "ankle". This apparently improves propellant efficiency in space, according to Master File, as the thruster ring is able act like a thrust reverser and selectively divert exhaust flow from the engine [instead of/in addition to] drawing fuel itself. It seems to have been a feature originally developed by General Galaxy for the VF-14 Vampire, and subsequently found its way into the VF-11MAXL, VF-17, and VF-19 2nd production type. The later VFs seem to have gone back to more traditional individual thrusters, but apparently with more fuel-efficient vernier technology.

According to Macross Chronicle, Isamu originally tried to twist Jan's arm into selling him VF-19 parts under the table... the Shinsei VF-19ADVANCE program that created the VF-19EF/A was Jan's counteroffer, it was written off as a test aircraft to evaluate service life extension possibilities for the VF-19 and paid for with Isamu's life savings.

Mostly. It's indicated that some parts were exchanged for hardware from the VF-19A, and that the fighter's ARIEL integrated airframe control AI software was deliberately downgraded to the original evaluation build delivered for use on the YF-19-3. You could argue that a fair amount of what was done actually constitutes downgrades, albeit ones made with the very specific goal of stripping out the various refinements made for the production models that sacrificed the punishingly unforgiving handling and the resulting excessive agility in favor of greater ease of control. (Essentially, Isamu had Dr. Neumann's team at Shinsei rebuild a VF-19 into the state that killed its widespread adoption by the New UN Forces stone dead... the fighter with such agility that only an exceptional ace pilot could handle it.1) The VF-19P was a monkey model variant derived from the VF-19F2 that was intended for export to emigrant forces and allied powers like the Zolan government. On paper, at least, it's supposedly a "enhanced fixed armaments" model sporting a redesigned monitor turret with a better sensor suite and two additional anti-aircraft laser cannons and the ordnance bays replaced by two micro-missile launchers. In practical terms it's a downgraded model with lower performance. The VF-19EF is used as a Special Forces VF in the Macross Frontier fleet NUNS, since its performance exceeds that of the VF-171 Nightmare Plus. It's used by a Special Forces unit called Round Table, as well as serving as a field test aircraft for technologies going into the YF-25. It's worth remembering that the Frontier New UN Spacy is a local defense force under the direction of the Macross Frontier fleet government. Barring Macross VF-X2 and Macross 30, we haven't really seen the REAL New UN Forces in a Macross series... the ones who operate under the direct authority of the actual New UN Government. What we've been seeing in Macross 7, Macross Frontier, Macross Delta, and so on have been the local defense forces of a given emigrant fleet or planetary government that're operating under the auspices of the New UN Government. It's hard to come up with a good real-world analogy to explain the relationship. The local New UN Forces are kind of like a National Guard reserve. They're nominally part of the New UN Forces but they mainly operate in and around the state that founded and maintains them, answering to state-level authority as well as the federal New UN Government and New UN Forces. They can even be activated by the New UN Government and sent to reinforce other state-level forces, or the federal New UN Forces. The analogy breaks down a bit on the point that each local government basically has a free hand in deciding how to equip and organize its local defense forces. When you include that part, it's a lot more like how the proposed European Union Army would work by having all of their various national militaries operating together under the direction of a supranational military. So... given that each of these emigrant fleet and planetary governments is a semi-autonomous New UN Government member nation, and that these nation-states do sometimes let their conflicts get to the level of actual warfare, it makes a certain amount of sense that the New UN Government would want the federal-level forces overseeing all these local militaries to have better gear. Hence all the monkey models. Isamu and Guld's little stunt in 2040 was apparently the straw that broke the camel's back, scaring the New UN Government enough to start seriously restricting arms exports to the various emigrant governments. Limitations were imposed on the numbers of some types of craft that the emigrants could deploy, exports of some technologies were restricted, and locally built versions of the federal forces mecha had mandated limitations on certain aspects of performance. It's very likely that the only VF-19 we've seen that wasn't a monkey model was Aegis Focker's VF-19A. All of the 5th Gen VFs in Macross Frontier and Macross Delta save perhaps for the Sv-262 are based on what was by any rational standard a monkey model spec3 for the YF-24 Evolution's final prototype. 1. Per Great Mechanics DX.9, one of the key factors that resulted in the New UN Forces halting plans to adopt the VF-19 Excalibur was the control problem... the aircraft's difficult handling resulted in many pilots losing control of the aircraft in training exercises. Other factors included fears of advanced weapons falling into the hands of anti-government forces after the YF-19-2 independently penetrated Earth's orbital defenses, and the enormous per-unit cost. 2. Canonically, per Macross Chronicle ALL Mechanic Sheet 01B. Variable Fighter Master File claims it's a derivative of the VF-19E instead. 3. The version of the YF-24 Evolution spec that was shared to the emigrant fleet and planetary governments had a number of technologies that were withheld by the New UN Government and federal New UN Forces. Consequently, if they were to build a VF-24 based on those plans, their VF-24 would have lower performance than the federal VF-24, ensuring the federal forces would have superior military capability. This has also been observed to work in reverse, with the federal forces applying their superior technology to new designs produced by emigrant governments, producing superior versions of their fighters (e.g. Havamal's YF-29B Percival from Macross 30).

In all likelihood, that IS the second or third pass... the quality there is actually better than other art I've seen for that thing1. IMO, they did a pretty good job with the Auroran on that page. After all, Robotech Visions is an unofficial and unauthorized Robotech publication of the "by fans, for fans" variety. Particularly fans of the Masters Saga and New Generation. They're doin' the best they can with the limited talent pool they've got. Especially given that they're trying to rewrite things in a way that makes the Southern Cross Army a more competent, dignified, and professional force than it was in Robotech canon2 and presumably trying to let it go out with more dignity than it canonically did.

According to its writeup in Macross Chronicle, yes... the official designation given on its Mechanic Sheet1 is VF-19EF/A "Isamu Special" and it is a modification of the VF-19EF Caliburn monkey model developed by the Macross Frontier emigrant fleet. The Macross F the Movie: Sayonara no Tsubasa Official Complete Book only mentions it in passing, as "VF-19 (SMS Ver.)". The novelization of the movie refers to it as the "VF-19ADVANCE Excalibur Advance". That is an excellent question... which version of the VF-19E are we talking about? This is one of the more annoying questions of the VF-19 lineage. Namely, whether the VF-19E was a 1st production type like the VF-19A and VF-19C, or a 2nd production type like the VF-19F, VF-19S, and VF-19 Custom. Model Graphix magazine was the first to depict a (non-canon) VF-19E as a 1st production type back in 2002 as the "VF-19ES Mystery Ship II", a test aircraft used to set the fold speed record. Variable Fighter Master File: VF-19 Excalibur piled on with own riff in mid-2010, and its VF-19E was the first 2nd production type variant but had a head that looked like Basara's VF-19 Custom. The first from the official setting was the VF-19EF Caliburn in Macross the Ride in late 2010/early 2011, a monkey model VF-19E that was a 2nd production type VF-19. Then, of course, came Macross Frontier the Movie: Sayonara no Tsubasa and Isamu's cameo in a VF-19 that would later be established to be a VF-19EF retrofitted to look like a 1st production type. Then, just in case we weren't completely and utterly confused, Macross 30 waded in with a VF-19E that was clearly a 1st production type, and a novelization that muddied the waters by insisting it was a heavily customized VF-19E. So, of course, the million dollar question is who's the aberration?2 Is the VF-19EF Caliburn a 1st production type upgraded with 2nd production type refinements and then de-upgraded when the EF/A version was made? Or is the VF-19E from Macross 30 customized to restore the 1st production type appearance the way Isamu's was? The one thing we can say for certain is Master File's VF-19E is wrong. Macross Chronicle indicates that Basara's VF-19 Custom was customized from a VF-19F3 rather than a VF-19E. We've yet to see a VF-19E that isn't either implied or explicitly stated to be customized in some way, so we have very little idea what its true capabilities are... or even what its true appearance is. Apart from appearance, the main traits distinguishing the VF-19A and VF-19C from the later VF-19F and VF-19S are: Structural and aerodynamic simplification intended to improve controllability and improve the airframe's durability. Airframe control system software enhancements intended to improve controllability. Changed design focus to space operations, resulting in the abolishment of some aerodynamic control devices like the canards, exchanging some onboard hardware for versions which have better performance in space, changing the wing shape, and replacing individual verniers in a few locations with a more efficient vernier ring on the engine nacelle. Improved engines with more stable performance and greater output than the initial FF-2200 series. The VF-19EF and VF-19EFs Caliburn made the following changes to the VF-19F and VF-19S type: Structural and aerodynamic redesign to restore some atmospheric performance, including the restoration of canards and a redesigned main wing. (Some units had additional structural reinforcement installed to let them use the GU-17.) Limiters installed in several components to reduce performance to arms export restriction-compliant levels. Exchanged the engines of the F and S variants for the FF-2550E engine which has somewhat reduced output. Installed EX-Gear control systems to evaluate the technology for use in the YF-25. Visually? As far as I can tell, the VF-19EF/A and VF-19E we've seen are identical to the YF-19 and VF-19A/C type. So much so, in fact, that in Macross 30 the VF-19A and VF-19E are two new color schemes applied to the same CG model used by the YF-19. The VF-19EF/A probably has an EX-Gear cockpit, but we never see clearly inside the canopy in the movie... the same is likely true of the SMS VF-19E, but it's unconfirmable for the same reason. 1. Macross Chronicle (2E) Macross Frontier Movie Mechanic Sheet SMS 03A "VF-19EF/A 'Isamu Special' / VF-25A Messiah". 2. No, it's not me. I'm the abomination. That's different. 3. Macross Chronicle (2E) ALL Mechanic Sheet 02A "VF Masterpieces seen from their Development History: VF-17 / VF-19 / VF-22".

Unless one of the kits I didn't buy has something on it, I've got nothing apart from its name, the designation SDF/C-108, and that it's approximately the height of the Burj Khalifa (~820m). Just about twice the height of the Macross Quarter-class, making it 2/3 the size of a proper Macross-class ship. There are some scale issues in Macross Delta caused by the lazy reuse of CG models from Macross Frontier... like the Barette City island ship being a reuse of the Island-1 model with some changes made to the interior texture to make it look smaller than the 15km original.

By any objective standard of measure, the VF-31 Siegfried is a more advanced, higher performance variable fighter than the Sv-262 Draken III. The Draken III may have more raw thrust, but it's also a noticeably heavier aircraft than the VF-31 Custom. Its fold quartz reheat system provides a much greater increase in engine output than the VF-31 Custom's fold wave system does (25/30% vs. the Siegfried's 15%) but it's not quite enough to offset the difference in mass in the T/W ratio math on the mass production model, so the Siegfried maintains a slight advantage even when they're both overboosting. That has always been my interpretation. I'm not even sure it's because the Aerial Knights are even really that good, since the New UN Spacy starts clobbering them despite flying old Block II VF-171s once King Ketchup is no longer mind-controlling everyone. Xaos' PMC division as a whole seems to be a bush league operation compared to Strategic Military Services. Delta Flight is their elite, but it really feels like they're only elite compared to the company's other, decidedly lackluster troops. The Kingdom of the Wind's Aerial Knights, at least, are professional soldiers who've trained most of their lives to fly and fight. Even the ones who trained before the war of independence expected to serve most of their lives in the Knights, and many of the ones who joined during or after the war's end are driven by a desire for revenge against a hated enemy. Plus, y'know, they have naturally superior abilities in addition to being driven as hell and training like mad.

Nothing substantive, no. The explanation that Discovery producer Nicholas Meyer gave amounts to an overlong "because we could". Buried in some of the extraneous waffle of those interviews are a few statements that point to the showrunners opting for a prequel because they didn't want to deal with the high-minded morality and idealism of Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek. Gene's utopian vision of the future apparently wasn't conflict-friendly enough for all the dark, gritty, racist, paranoid trash the producers wanted their show to be about... so they went looking for gaps in the prime timeline before TOS to exploit, claiming that they were looking to depict the slow development towards that ideal. Unfortunately, because the producers waited until much later to bother actually researching any of the prime timeline they seem to have picked their date based on events of the Kelvin timeline (the start of Jar-Jar's first Star Trek movie) without realizing that the rampant militarism of Jar-Jar's riff on Star Trek never happened in the prime timeline because the Narada's unintentional trip back in time created a parallel universe. So we've got this bizarre, incongruously militaristic Star Trek title trying to set up shop in a prime timeline in a period where that utopian Federation civilization that the producers insist doesn't exist yet had already been a thing for a little over 95 years. They could, but I think the writers are a bit put out by the way The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager went and kneecapped or outright exterminated every established hostile power that could credibly threaten the United Federation of Planets. Deep Space Nine arguably started it by putting the Cardassians, who had been a credible threat on the Federation's border for much of The Next Generation's later seasons, Cardassian Union was on the brink of collapse even before it joined the Dominion. The Dominion War arc saw the Dominion itself beaten and forced to surrender, and it took the Breen Confederacy and Cardassian Union with it when it went, with the latter suffering a friendly-fire genocide, and the technically-friendly Klingon Empire and Romulan Star Empire both got mauled worse than the Federation did. The Next Generation movies took another Dominion ally, the Son'a, out of the picture entirely and started the Borg Collective's badass decay, then delivered the first of two knockout punches to the Romulan Star Empire in Nemesis by having the entire Senate assassinated and a Reman-led coup install a short-lived praetor as dictator. Then they accidentally blew up a neighboring star and the Romulan home system got wiped out, so they're no threat. The main anti-Federation faction that existed in the Klingon Empire also lost its leadership, almost as an aside, in Generations when the Duras sisters were killed. Voyager introduced a pack of mostly-useless antagonists like the Kazon (Klingons Lite) and Vidiians who would only have rated as nuisances were it not for the titular ship being alone and perpetually short of resources. They ran with First Contact's mistreatment of the Borg and reduced them from The Dreaded to just "the dreadful" before capping it with "Janeway's b*tch". Species 8472 was the only other really credible antagonist they brought, and they just wanted to be left the hell alone by the Borg. So who's left? Basically, it's just a few formerly antagonistic powers that are at least on somewhat friendly terms with the Federation in that period. The Gorn Hegemony, the Tholian Assembly, the Sheliak Corporate, and the Tzenkethi. (This is probably why the relaunch novels try so damned hard to come up with new antagonistic powers and generally fail miserably, thus falling back on rehashing stuff from the shows. The best they could do was having a bunch of minor antagonists band together to form their own evil Federation, the Typhon Pact.)

Alas, no... all we know about the Sv-154 Svard is: The Sv-154 is a product of the SV Works, a design team established by former Sv-51 and VF-4 design team member, and General Galaxy co-founder, Alexei Kurakin as a pet project that was developing variable fighters designed to defeat other variable fighters rather than Zentradi and other alien threats. (The SV is for "Slayer Valkyrie" or "Slayer of Valkyries". Alexei seems like the kind of guy who probably listened to a lot of metal music.) The team was sold off to Dian Cecht, an Epsilon Foundation subsidiary, at some point. Consequently, the Sv-154 is almost certainly an anti-VF VF. Strong circumstantial evidence from Macross Delta: the Black-Winged White Knight makes the Sv-154 likely a 4th Generation-equivalent main variable fighter rivaling the performance of the General Galaxy VF-171-II Nightmare Plus. Given that the design is a tweaked reuse of the LV-7 Valorous Rapier "Excalibur" from Shoji Kawamori's Air Cavalry Chronicles1, it likely had a big f***-off sword. That's a pretty straightforward bit, actually. The VF-19's many weird variants are mostly just stand-alone designs, barring a few that were intended to test technology for the YF-25 Prophecy. The 5th Generation is super simple, the only bit that's a bit convoluted to draw is the relationship between the VF-25 and YF-29 since the YF-29 airframe is based on the YF-25's but they were developed at the same time but the VF-25/TW-1 is also a testbed for the YF-29's aerodynamics and weaponry and oh no I've gone crosseyed. The Strike's beam cannon was an anti-capital ship weapon, not intended for dogfighting. That Roy was able to use it in dogfights is actually pretty darn impressive. I'm not sure the Stampede had a more powerful beam weapon than the Strike, but then those FamilySoft games were all kinds of odd when it came to mechanical design. They tried a few different times to add a new "super" fighter to the First Space War era, the other big one being the VF-X3 Medusa, a nightmare cobbled together from Destroid and VF-1A parts. "Do you want 200,000 row spreadsheets? Because that's how you get 200,000 row spreadsheets." For the time being, my translation notes are partly handwritten, but mostly an ever-expanding set of indexed and annotated Microsoft Word documents detailing every variant I've come across so far. I even briefly engaged the services of a college student from the local uni's foreign language dept. to speed up data entry. Unfortunately, she is also terrified of my pets, so we kind of have to ring-fence her while she works. 1. Shoji Kawamori's Air Cavalry Chronicles was both a further development of the unrealized non-Macross series Advanced Valkyrie - the plot of which would go on to become Macross Plus - but also an early version of his fantasy work The Vision of Escaflowne before it became a fantasy series. The factions and plot spun off into another genre, and the mechanical designs were absorbed into Macross in Macross 7, Macross M3, and the Macross VF-X series. The LV-7 Valorous Rapier was a mecha of the Fanelian royal guard in that incarnation.