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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Many times, yes... and, as @Master Dex indicated, if you cut out all the wordy explanations the Aesop at the end is that the YF-30 blows either version of the VF-31 into the weeds with little difficulty. Sorry it took so long to start writing this, I'm battling a bit of a cold. Structurally speaking, Shinsei Industry and L.A.I.'s YF-30 Chronos is as similar as you'd expect to the Surya Aerospace VF-31 given that the VF-31 was derived from it. The YF-30's airframe stands a little taller (4.02m vs 3.85m) and has a wider wingspan (15.62m vs 14.14m for the Kairos or 13.70m for the Siegfried), but the VF-31's airframe is slightly longer (18.84m vs 19.31m). The YF-30 is also marginally lighter than the Kairos and Siegfried customs, at 8,106kg (w/o ordnance container) vs 8,250kg (VF-31A) or 8,500kg+ for all the Siegfrieds. Performance-wise, the YF-30 blows any version of the VF-31 into the weeds. Its FF-3001/FC2 Stage II thermonuclear reaction turbine engines boast an impressive maximum rated thrust of 2,110kN apiece, for a thrust-to-weight ratio of 53.085. The trial production spec for the VF-31A and -B Kairos is using a slightly uprated version of the VF-25's FF-3001A Stage II engines, at 1,645kN or a thrust-to-weight ratio of 40.664. The VF-31 Siegfried customs are all using derated FF-3001/FC2 engines spec'd at 1,875kN... as each variant is slightly different in mass there's no hard-and-fast number for all of them but the best of them is Hayate's VF-31J at 44.854. All of these numbers are without any improvement in performance conferred by a fold wave or fold dimensional resonance system, and are all without the ordnance container factored in. For reference, the VF-25A-1 Messiah's engine output was rated at 1,620kN for a thrust-to-weight ratio of 39.098, which makes the VF-25 seem slightly less capable but you have to remember the VF-25 doesn't have a sizable chunk of its airframe missing at that mass. Unboosted, the YF-30 is working with about 18.4% more engine power AND less weight. We can't say for certain how much bigger its advantage gets as a result of the fold dimensional resonance system being far superior to the Siegfried's fold wave system, but as the Siegfried's boost is only 15% (getting it to a respectable 50.984) it's not going to touch even an unboosted YF-30. A boosted YF-30 is at least comparable to a YF-29B, so that suggests 25% or more. In terms of armament, the YF-30 comes up a bit short in diversity of armament given that it's a technology demonstrator rather than a model produced for combat use. The VF-31 has the advantage of those railguns in the forearms to complement its less-powerful heavy quantum beam gunpod and it has built-in micro-missile launchers to compensate for the standard ordnance container being given over to Walkure support gear instead. I'd still rate the YF-30 higher, given that its standard ordnance container holds actual weapons and its heavy quantum beam gunpod has beam grenade mode AND an MDE option. The option of a MDE beam cannon turret for an ordnance container in the novel gives the YF-30 a commanding advantage, IMO. The real kicker is the YF-30 having that Fold Dimensional Resonance system that is explicitly superior to the YF-29's Fold Wave System. That gives the YF-30 the ability to cross a fold fault (including a fault fold barrier) and a technically-unlimited supply of power and the ability to run its energy conversion armor and pinpoint barrier at full power in all modes. The VF-31 Siegfried uses a fold wave system, the fold dimensional resonance system was a proprietary development by SMS Uroboros that the company went to considerable lengths to avoid disclosing. Master File suggests, though it isn't a reliable source, that the VF-31 Siegfried's fold wave system uses much less fold quartz than the YF-29's. The stock VF-31 Kairos has neither system, but Xaos's Kairos units are equipped with fold carbon-based fold amps to operate in support of Walkure. They're not as effective as those based on fold quartz that were used on the YF-29 and VF-31 Siegfried. It's not clear if the YF-30 had a fold amp or not, but it's possible the fold dimension resonance system can do that. The Sv-262 Draken III has a fold reheat system. I see my description of it as a poor man's fold wave system has caught on. Its only function is improving the maximum thrust of the FF-2999 Stage II thermonuclear reaction turbine engines by 25% on the Ba variant and 30% on the Hs command variant. As far as we know, the VF-31 Kairos is essentially a bog-standard mass production 5th Generation VF of fair-to-middling performance. The one thing we can say is it's probably better at close air support given its less-powerful weaponry, and we know the Siegfried custom version is optimized for close air support of Walkure with its weapons even further derated. -
Robotech and REMIX by Titan Comics
Seto Kaiba replied to Old_Nash's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
All things considered, isn't this a bit contradictory? I mean, internet drama is essentially the only "result" that the Robotech franchise can be counted on to produce and the franchise is run and represented by crazy people. The last twelve years or so have been marked by almost nothing but internet drama between the acrimony over Tommy Yune's reboot to the Robotech canon, the witch hunt over generally negative fan reviews of Shadow Chronicles, the stealth cancellation of Shadow Rising and lies about it still being in development, the acrimony over their adaptation of MOSPEADA: Love Live Alive, the massive backlash over the Robotech RPG Tactics Kickstarter, the amusingly karmic self-destruction of the Robotech Academy Kickstarter, and Titan Comics' hat trick of controversies by engaging heavily in tracing, stealing the VF design, and having the comic written by a writer notoriously dogged by accusations of sexual harassment, plus Harmony Gold's standard lot of spurious and absurd lawsuits and legal demands... and that's just the highlights! Let's be honest here, none of us are following this comic thread out of any real interest in the comic itself. This thread is all about people going "Gather round! Gather round! Let's all look at the freak!" every time a new piece of increasingly terrible art is released online.- 1934 replies
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Macross Delta episodes 10 and 11. In episode 10, in the pre-credits scene about 25 seconds into the episode Berger is depicted apologizing for the Epsilon Foundation falling behind schedule analyzing the systems on the Sigur Valens and reports that the analysis of the ship's systems is 45% done. In episode 11, about 6 minutes in Berger is present in a meeting with King Grammier where Roid's shocked to learn that Berger's analysis of the Sigur Valens has reached the point where the ship can be activated. Macross doesn't observe a One Steve Limit.
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As far as we know, just one... General Galaxy. The way it's been described, the Macross Galaxy mainland ship was essentially run as a self-contained branch or subsidiary of the General Galaxy corporation. It was sort of like a dystopian version of Walt Disney's EPCOT concept, being a corporate-run techno-futurist community that functioned as a spaceborne R&D facility for its parent company where development and testing of highly controversial and/or bleeding edge secret technology could be done largely uninterrupted. It probably wasn't intended to be a dystopia, and probably didn't start out that way, but once the large-scale implementation of implant technology enabled the execs to mind control the populace there really wasn't anything stopping them from turning it into a cost-effective hellhole. Milia may have been, she just is never seen taking a direct role in military operations until Operation Stargazer... much like how President Glass left the NUNS fleetmaster to run things. We've known for ages that Macross VF-X2 was a significant story, it plays a big role in Macross R, Macross 30, and via novels it ties into Macross Frontier, Macross 7, and a few others. I do have to admit it was definitely a bit of a shock learning that Johnson's knack for picking the wrong side led to him joining two terrorist groups. It definitely explains why the only jobs he could find were out in the space boonies. There might still even be an active warrant or five for his arrest in the core systems. It's not really that surprising, considering the Epsilon Foundation is even shadier than General Galaxy and in both Macross E and the Macross Delta series proper seems to be the Macross universe's equivalent of UC Gundam's Anaheim Electronics... selling to both sides for maximum profit. Another reason it's not particularly surprising is that Berger Stone's Epsilon Foundation branch was the one responsible for all the restoration work on the Sigur Valens and the study of the Protoculture ruins it was meant to work with because Windermere IV did not have the necessary technical base to do it. This guy's people spent probably several YEARS poking around inside that ship for the purpose of restoring it, it would be shocking if he hadn't had some inkling of what it was actually built to do. If it's anything at all like the Fold Evil or the ruins in the Varauta system, there was probably a big freaking sign somewhere saying "WARNING! DO NOT TOUCH! THIS WILL MAKE YOUR HEAD EXPLODE!" or a recording from the ship's creators explaining why it was a stupid idea and that they'd decided not to use it. That's because, due to lazy writing, Roid's plan basically IS Grace's plan... just without the forced cyborg-ization.
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New Macross TV Series in 20xx (sometime this decade)
Seto Kaiba replied to Tochiro's topic in Movies and TV Series
Unlikely, IMO... condensing ten-and-a-half hours of the Macross Delta series into a two-hour movie is not going to leave much room for new effects sequences. Especially given that the movie is almost certain to be as unbalanced as the series was in terms of its focus on Walkure vs. Delta Flight and the actual goddamn war. One has to wonder how many Macross Delta art assets will be reused for this new series, whenever it airs. Macross Delta itself had relatively few new CG models, mostly recycling ones from Macross Frontier. Assuming the new series is going forward in time, I'd bet against it. Kawamori has always liked to start fresh with an all-new place he can tailor to the story's whims when a new series is in the works. Plus I'm not sure any competition between SMS and Xaos could be anything but one-sided. Strategic Military Services is an elite, proposterously well-funded and well-equipped organization that recruits top aces out of the federal New UN Forces. Xaos is bush league by comparison, a financially-troubled PMC outfit with lax discipline and a troubled operational record that depends on their parent company's entertainment branch to keep the lights on and has to recruit washouts from local New UN Forces garrisons. A competition between Xaos and SMS would be rather like sending a platoon's worth of out-of-shape mall cops up against an outfit like Delta Force or Seal Team Six. -
Robotech and REMIX by Titan Comics
Seto Kaiba replied to Old_Nash's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
As the originator of the art, and as someone who publicly claims that it's both an original work wholly owned by him AND has also admitted publicly that it's strongly derivative of the VF-1 and VF-0, it's a cert that he'd end up with a summons... whether he would be charged with copyright infringement on his own or would become a party to HG's defense is down to Big West's temperment and/or Harmony Gold's personal inclincation. Their saving grace is probably that Titan Comics jettisoned the artist's original VF-0B-style head and replaced it with heads that are taken right off the VF-1. The two designs are similar enough that it'd be down to a jury in court to decide if they were different enough to be considered a distinct design.- 1934 replies
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We don't know how big Macross-29 is, though... probably not very, given that it abolished its own military contingent. That alone might account for the government's chief executive being a mayor rather than a president. What Chronicle was referring to was cases like Macross Galaxy, which doesn't even have a democratic government and is run as a corporation instead.
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Robotech and REMIX by Titan Comics
Seto Kaiba replied to Old_Nash's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Eh, the amateur dramatics he indulged in when he tried (and failed) to market his fanart on various Macross Facebook groups did leave a distinct whiff of reality TV-esque bullsh*t drama on the wind. He took it rather poorly when people pointed out it was kind of legally and ethically dodgy to sell Macross-based fanart to Harmony Gold, equally dodgy to try to commercialize that fanart for profit when it was clearly derived from the VF-0 (doubly so after selling it to HG), and that said sale made his work Robotech by default and thus unwelcome on most Macross groups. He ragequit or got banned from half a dozen groups in two days. HG could probably make a case against him since it's similar enough to the VF-1 design to raise eyebrows and he incorporated VF-1 paintjobs into the CG model's collection of skins, which is a clear violation. If he did that, he'd be the first one Big West sued... or at the very least end up a codefendent with HG and Titan. Probably not, though it wouldn't help them any.- 1934 replies
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Let's collect thought in the Macross 35th anniversary!! !
Seto Kaiba replied to Mari-ja's topic in Movies and TV Series
Your guess is as good as mine. Misa took Hikaru's name when they got married and their daughter's name is Miku, not Yoshi. (Yoshi being a man's given name makes it doubly odd... maybe they meant Yoshie?) Sort of. Though all indications are that it's going to end in the same place the TV series was supposed to... with the departure of Megaroad-01. It's pretty much a given that there won't be any kind of direct sequel to the original Macross series like the OP wants. -
Offhand, I don't recall if its status is ever explicitly discussed in the context of the Macross Frontier: Sayonara no Tsubasa film... the film's novelization, however, does confirm that it is a real, working VF-1 Valkyrie. It's described as being a VF-1X++, presumably it's something somone acquired from a military disposal sale since the VF-1X++ is a New UN Spacy Special Forces-issue variant that is actually meant to capitalize on the ubiquitousness of civilian market VF-1 derivatives to be as inconspicuous as a thirteen meter tall robot can be. (Another civilian owner of a VF-1X++ is Hakuna Aoba, one of the main characters from Macross the Ride, whose ride as a Vanquish League air racer was a custom VF-1X++ until it was destroyed and replaced by the VF-0 Custom "Zeak", which is essentially a YF-25 thinly disguised as a VF-0.) Exactly what the VF-1 on top of Mihoshi Academy's roof is varies from version to version. In the Macross Frontier animation it's a VF-1A-6 or later done up with the markings of Hikaru Ichijo's Skull 11 from Macross: Do You Remember Love?. In the manga where it's depicted as a still-functional fighter, it's a VF-1J-4 or VF-1J-5 like Hikaru's VF-1J from the original Super Dimension Fortress Macross series.
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Robotech and REMIX by Titan Comics
Seto Kaiba replied to Old_Nash's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Gubaba and I had a chat with the artist behind this design on Facebook not too long ago, and what he told us seems to be quite a bit different from what he told you. What he told us was that his fanart was used without his knowledge or consent, and that he'd only learned of its use after Titan Comics had sent the first issue to print via a friend who was following the comic. He also made the claim that he contacted Titan Comics shortly thereafter, and that Titan Comics and Harmony Gold paid him for the continuing use of the fanart in question so that he wouldn't take them to court for using it without permission in the first issue and would not need to design a replacement on short notice. (Of course, after seeing him get kicked from several different groups for advertising his tissue paper-thin VF-0 knockoff without permission and/or as a 100% original design in true "original character, do not steal" fashion, I'd say he has a screw loose but I'm honestly not convinced he has one screw fully tightened. He doesn't seem to realize that the only thing stopping HG from suing HIM for commercializing a CG model that's obviously derivative of the VF-1 was that he sold the rights to it to them.)- 1934 replies
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Robotech and REMIX by Titan Comics
Seto Kaiba replied to Old_Nash's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Outside of its very small, but devoted, fanbase... does anybody care about Robotech besides fans of either Macross or BattleTech wishing it'd hurry up and put the other foot in the grave? We know Harmony Gold doesn't. History suggests the Agramas are much more interested in using the franchise's distribution rights to launder money in tax havens than actually developing anything new. Quite the contrary, I say you didn't go too far enough! This is some straight-up uncanny valley nonsense most of the time, with poses and facial expressions that don't line up with what's actually going on.- 1934 replies
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Oh, all sorts. Macross II: Lovers Again was the first title to introduce the notion of a commercially-available VF for civilian use. The series materials describe the introduction of the first civilian market VF, the VC-051, as a multipurpose vehicle meant for government and private sector use as a VTOL jumpjet with high endurance for things like natural resource management, search and rescue, mapping, etc. It found its way into the leisure craft market soon after, and became enormously popular. Its successor, the VC-079, is seen in the Macross II OVA outfitted with high-powered camera systems for use as what you might call a space-capable news helicopter analogue. Civilian market VFs later appeared in Macross 7 and Macross Dynamite 7, though those were a mix of decommissioned and disarmed military models and models actually built for civilian use. They're depicted in a variety of roles. The ones in Macross 7 were leisure craft. The ones seen in Macross Dynamite 7 were working craft outfitted for wildlife management use, and one was later seen with space welding equipment working on the construction of a new Battle-class to replace Battle-7. In the Macross the Ride light novel, civilian market VFs are shown used as leisure craft for air racing, while the Macross Frontier novelization has some that are used as training aircraft for the students from the space navigation major at Mihoshi Academy. Macross 30 depicted civilian-use VFs as an easy way for civilians to get around on planets like Uroboros where the local geography isn't very cooperative (and sometimes airborne and highly mobile), as well as convenient tools for wildlife and natural resource management, law enforcement, and even for archaeological study of Protoculture ruins (which are not the safest place to be). Virtually all of the civilian market VFs in the main Macross chronology fall into one of three categories: Old, disarmed VFs that were previously operated by the New UN Forces and were sold off to civilians after being phased out and finally retired by the military. Most of the VFs from the light novel Macross the Ride are in this category, incl. Chelsea Scarlett's VF-11B Nothung II custom, which was made by combining parts from three incomplete airframes the New UN Forces sold off in 2058. Many of the civilian VFs in Macross 7 are also this type, with Milia's being the noteworthy exception. Derivatives of military training aircraft that were specifically produced as unarmed, detuned versions meant specifically for civilian use. The best example of this is the VT-1C first seen operated by civilians on Zola in Macross Dynamite 7. Unarmed versions of current military spec VFs that were produced for PR-friendly activities like company-sponsored air racing teams. Several of these appear in Macross the Ride, like Oscar Brauhitsch's VF-19A Custom that he pilots for Team Shinsei, the VF-17 Song Cuu Long, or the VF-19ACTIVE Nothung that Chelsea Scarlett operates for Team SMS (which is covertly a test aircraft for the VF-25 program). There are a few exceptions to those rules, like Magdalena Zielonaska's Sv-52 Oryol, which she claims is a disarmed Sv-51 that's been extensively retrofitted with modern technology, or Milia Jenius's VF-1J, which was somehow allowed out of the military's sight while still outfitted for combat use complete with Super Packs. Many civilians in Macross 30 are operating replicas of military-issue VFs that have been outfitted with weaponry due to the dangerous local wildlife. Macross II's VC-051 and VC-079 are the only ones I recall offhand that were actually designed from the ground up for civilian use. Destroids don't do so good in space, or environments where the ground isn't stable, or in working environments where being highly mobile is an asset... it's there where the civilian utility VF shines. The utility of a fighter jet is a LOT lower... when someone buys an old military jet for personal use it's a pleasure craft or a museum display piece.
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There were a few in the Pocket Books Star Trek: the Next Generation line that I remember enjoying, in no small part because they were treated as stand-alone "episodes" set during the series. I rather enjoyed Masks and Gulliver's Fugitives from that series. Q-Squared would've been enjoyable if they hadn't spent so goddamn much time on "Trelane is insane now". The Star Trek: Enterprise relaunch has its moments, if you ignore all that rot with the Caeliar which tied into Star Trek Destiny. I'd rate the Archer/Reed/T'Pol A-plot in the Rise of the Federation story arc as probably the best material the various relaunches have produced... provided you exclude the novel Uncertain Logic, which boasted an idiot plot that requires every living Vulcan to be a drooling moron with the attention span and memory of a goldfish. The ongoing B-plot of "Trip Tucker is an agent of Section 31" sucks a lot of the enjoyment out of it though, since he's arguably the galaxy's most inept spy and is constantly being captured and manipulated by his captors. It also lost a few points for having what may be the most cringeworthy and forced attempt to be transgender-inclusive that I've ever seen. The Star Trek: Deep Space Nine relaunch had a few good installments. The Left Hand of Destiny's probably its finest hour, being essentially a Klingon version of the Arthurian mythos with Martok as Arthur. The only downside was it absolutely put Martok through the wringer and managed to take several one-note characters and make them extremely likeable before killing them off. (Especially Martok's aide-de-camp.) The Never-Ending Sacrifice was pretty good, like Martok's The Left Hand of Destiny duology, it's a more in-depth look at the geopolitical (astropolitical?) situation in an alien power (Cardassia) as seen through the eyes of someone who doesn't necessarily agree with all of their culture's views. (And boy did they ever make poor Rugal WORK for his happy ending.) Articles of the Federation was pretty good, for many of the same reasons above, being a more in-depth look into the running of the UFP's government via terribly snarky and sarcastic President Nanietta Bacco (fmr. councilor for Cestus III). Almost everything in the Star Trek: the Next Generation relaunch is rubbish, with a high turnover in characters as the authors try every lame cliche they can think of in the hopes of coming up with one that's actually likeable. Their worst so far seems to be a Vulcan genki girl, but the security officers trying a mutiny on Picard was just too much to believe. The Star Trek: Voyager relaunch less a dumpster fire and more an out-of-control dumpster inferno featuring some of the worst prose I've ever laid eyes on in ANY franchise EVER. The writers have Janeway live down to EVERY negative stereotype of "strong women" possible, and she achieves never-before-seen heights of Mary Suedom as a result. Its sole redeeming feature is the new ship's counselor, Hugh Cambridge, who is so utterly, transparently modeled on Hugh Laurie's titular character from House that it's astonishing they haven't been sued yet. (Did we mention Mr. Laurie attended Cambridge, just in case anyone was in any doubt where that name came from?) He's the one straight man who seems to realize how utterly crappy the books are and is resolved to punish the entire cast in the most ironic fashion possible, which is often hilarious... like locking Harry and Tom in the holodeck and torturing them both in the guise of Chaotica for several days. Outside that, I'm quite fond of How Much for Just the Planet?. It's campy enough that it feels like it really could be an episode of TOS or TAS with very little effort, and manages to be quite funny for a series that ostensibly doesn't do comedy. (Reading it, one might come down with the headcanon that Willy Wonka as portrayed by Gene Wilder is a native of Direidi, possibly one of their politicians.) It's ham and it REJOICES in it.
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So, being half the man he used to be has actually improved him? That's almost enough to make me watch the shows.
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New Macross TV Series in 20xx (sometime this decade)
Seto Kaiba replied to Tochiro's topic in Movies and TV Series
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Seto Kaiba replied to Tochiro's topic in Movies and TV Series
Don't forget the Macross Cannon-class, and the Battle-class covers a multitude of sins since we've seen at least three major variations/subclasses1 and it's strongly implied that no two of them were truly identical. (The same is explicitly stated for the Macross-class SDFNs, that no two conform to precisely the same spec because a lot of their hardware was diverted from Zentradi warships.) If the Sayonara no Tsubasa movie is any indicator, the Macross Quarter-class has the same issue... Technically, the Battle-class, Quarter-class, and Elysion-type are all capable of that... independently operable modules has been explicitly described, including the ability of the Gunship to fire using its internal reactors, but never properly animated. Macross Elysion was the first to actually depict the freely-detachable modular components operating independently in the case of the Aether and her sister ship Hemera... sadly with no sign of the long-awaited Rocket Punch. 1. Respectively, the Initial Type of which the Battle 7 was a representative sample, the Next Generation Type that Macross 13 was, and what I'll call the Late Type that Battle Galaxy and Battle Frontier were. It could be argued, given that the distinction is made for the fleet-specific variant subclass of the Northampton-class stealth frigate that the Battle 5 represents a fourth major variation as a Zentradi Type. -
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It isn't even being made by people who have any interest in or familiarity with Macross. Like most Robotech projects, this is a "do it quick, do it cheap, and to hell with the quality" project.- 1934 replies
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That's almost always presented exactly as it's read: "Gubaba".
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Gosh, what gave it away? I can see it now. The first one to open the Star Wars: the Last Jedi BD box in his home will be visited by apparitions of the Disney board of directors, who will say "We have such sights to show you".
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As @Sandman said, that's been done already. The fourth season of Star Trek: Enterprise already gave us the explanation for the human-looking Klingons in Star Trek's original series in the two-parter "Afflication" and "Divergence". That was a result of an imperfect fix for a botched Klingon genetic engineering experiment to create augment Klingons using DNA obtained from the remains of the Eugenics Wars-era augments that Dr. Soong had "liberated". The augment DNA had been picked up by an alien flu virus and become a highly-contagious retrovirus that was lethally mangling Klingon DNA. Dr. Phlox's treatment could only do so much for the already-infected, and only stopped the virus in the early stages... resulting in their loss of cranial ridges, and biochemical changes that made them behaviorally more like humans. In the Star Trek: Enterprise relaunch novels, the victims of the virus are called QuchHa' (which is apparently Klingon for "unhappy ones") and were second-class citizens in the Empire until a cure was found over a century later. By the time Star Trek Discovery is set, the human-looking QuchHa' Klingons had already been a thing for over a century. (101 years, 5 months, and 14 days if we're counting the days between "Affliction" and "The Vulcan Hello".)
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Someone did... the CG art they stole and later got retroactive permission to use was transparently modeled on a VF-0, to the extent that the original model has the VF-0B/D head.- 1934 replies
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Tonight, I presume you'll be one-upping that experience by solving the Lament Configuration?
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Granted, but with panels from this cropping up here and on several Facebook groups showing the ongoing deterioration of the art I'm starting to suspect this is a clandestine project on Titan's part to build a summer house in the Uncanny Valley.- 1934 replies
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Seto Kaiba replied to Old_Nash's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
... why do people keep buying these comics? If they really want to make themselves suffer, couldn't they just do something more sensible like get a minimum-wage service industry job, eat a bucket of laundry detergent pods, or swallow barbed wire, pull the other end out of their rectums, and floss themselves to death? I swear the art is getting worse with every panel.- 1934 replies
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