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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
The YF-29 is so expensive that only the wealthiest emigrant fleets could afford to build ONE... so they generally built none because who can justify blowing their entire GDP on just one aircraft? It's not clear how anyone got their hands on a VF-27 outside of the Macross Galaxy fleet. Macross Galaxy pursued the development of its YF-27 in secret, trotting out undercapable faux prototypes like the YF-27-5 Shahar ♀ to distract from the real YF-27 program that was forging ahead using development data illicitly obtained from the Macross Frontier fleet's YF-29 program. They never disclosed the existence and the specifications of the completed fighter as required by interstellar law either, so the New UN Government and New UN Forces consider the VF-27 to be the YF-27 and the only known operators of the damned thing were the soldiers of the Macross Galaxy Corporate Army. Since the specifications were never divulged, it isn't clear how certain influential individuals as far as half a galaxy away from the Macross Galaxy fleet came into possession of VF-27s. Mei Leeron, the head of the Uroboros Hunters Guild, had somehow obtained a VF-27γ for her own personal use despite the Uroboros New UN Forces still operating the old VF-171-II Nightmare Plus and it having been less than a year since the Macross Galaxy fleet's defeat. Likewise, Zelgar Heavy Industries researcher Ivan Polyvanov (alias Ivan Tsari) somehow possessed a VF-27γ on Pipure in 2062 when the local New UN Forces and Xaos branch were still using the VF-171. -
Second plan. Macek's original project was to simply dub Macross, which went awry after production had already started thanks to Revell. They finished about three episodes, IIRC, before being forced to shift their efforts to what eventually became Robotech. Macek and HG variously claimed over the years that it was either Revell or the network that insisted that an anthology series (ala Force Five) was not workable. I believe Revell was the one they more often blamed, usually citing Revell's desire to have a cohesive story to prop up the sales of its own failed Robotech toy/model line. Had Macek stood his ground, he would've been let go... which would probably have made the ensuing Robotech series less of a massive clusterf*ck anyway, given that his arrogance and incompetence were major factors in the failures of all three serious attempts to continue Robotech's story. As to the anthology series picking up other mecha shows, that's rather unlikely. Licensing was expensive enough as it was, and Tatsunoko Production didn't do much in the way of mecha after its two Macross mockbuster efforts (MOSPEADA and Southern Cross) failed to set the world on fire. Their only other SF/mecha project in the 80's was Red Photon Bullet Zillion, and the only mecha-esque title in the 90's was Space Knight Tekkaman Blade. If Artland's Super Dimension Century Orguss was a bridge too far when they were putting their series together in the first place, it's doubtful they would've gotten it later. They probably wouldn't have been able to get their mitts on anything from Nippon Sunrise. And the anime industry as a whole would've been a LOT better off without that lying blowhard... Kinda sucks knowing we live in the Bad Future.
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Like this one? I want to know how and why Mei Leeron, the head of the Uroboros Hunter's Guild, had her own VF-27γ in 2060. It's not like Macross Galaxy let the specs for that one out into the wild... she must be seriously connected. -
Not really, no... neither was a commercial success in Japan. Southern Cross was a start-to-finish disasterpiece and MOSPEADA got so-so ratings and didn't really move much merch. Yeah, sales were slack enough that to divest themselves of the remaining inventory ADV Films bundled Southern Cross and MOSPEADA together and sold two shows for the price of one. The set is actually quite nice... though I have to wonder how much harm they did to its prospects by advertising it on the basis of its relationship to Robotech.
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Star Trek: Picard (CBS All-Access)
Seto Kaiba replied to UN Spacy's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
lol, didn't realize that showed up while I was pondering replacement avatars. More Kaiba Kravshera now... Yeah, I got suckered by Star Trek: Discovery season two's promises that it'd changed and enticements of a familiar and famous Starfleet captain... and it turned out to be swill just as bad as the first season, if not slightly worse since Mary Sue Burnham's plot-devouring self-obsession became a matter of universal law. Star Trek won't be worth anyone's time or money until Kurtzman's cronies and Bad Reboot are gone from it forevermore. CBS never learned to not cling to a mistake just because you spent a long time making it. So you'll never watch it? The off button on the TV is better than Discovery. ... I'm starting to feel like FedNet. "Would you like to know more?" Yeah, that's Riker's job.- 2171 replies
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Brave of them... I wonder when the Cease and Desist will land.
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I feel like we missed the obvious pun of "Placross". ... couldn't we just show them Hellraiser? Hey, some people blow off steam by playing tennis... others do it by eroding the human soul.
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Officially, no... the VF-25G's avionics bay contains a fire control booster to enhance the precision of the SSL-9B railgun, and the camera system in the monitor turret (head) has been adjusted for long-range precision shooting. Master File takes it one step further by suggesting the actual camera system in the VF-25G's head is different from the one in the VF-25A's, though everything else about the heads is the same. Any VF-25 can, in theory, wield the SSL-9B Dragunov railgun... Alto uses it in the finale of Macross Frontier in his VF-25F. They just can't wield it as precisely as the VF-25G could, with its specially modified optics and fire control booster. -
Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
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Officially it's unconfirmed. Master File indicates that there was a dedicated sniper variant VF-171 called the VF-171AS. -
Well, he is writing for general audiences... one of the bigger problems with the situation, and a source of entirely too much misinformation from the Robotech side of things, is when the situation gets oversimplified and people start drawing conclusions based on the oversimplification. (Especially when that oversimplification is couched in truthful but typically weasel-y language the way some Harmony Gold statements are.) Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Macross plamodels (Macrosspla?) in bookstores the way gunpla can currently be found.
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Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
Hm... as unpopular an opinion as it may be, I'm actually going to argue in favor of the VF-31 Kairos on two specific points: Better overall cost-performance on the VF-31's part, as the VF-31 can swap roles with a simple change of a modular equipment package rather than needing dedicated variants for particular operational roles the way the VF-25 does. Logistics are simplified by having one variant to rule them all, instead of having to build specialist variants for roles like ELINT/AWACS, Command, etc. Better passive stealth design: the VF-31's going to age a little more gracefully than the VF-25 is in the long run. The VF-25 Messiah has some concessions to passive stealth like heat sequestration systems and radar-absorbent material, but most of its stealthiness is derived from its 3rd Generation active stealth system. As radar tech improves, its active stealth system is going to gradually diminish in effectiveness. The VF-31's emphasis on internally-carried weapons and better overall passive stealth design focus means that it isn't going to be impacted as much by the same degradation in the effectiveness of its 3rd Generation active stealth system. For a fleet with money to burn that's looking for the most advanced 5th Generation VF, the VF-25 is the obvious choice. For a fleet that's not flush with cash and that's looking to get maximum long-term value from its investment, the VF-31 is probably the way to go. I'm a guy who likes to get maximum value for money, so I'd go for the VF-31s. By the time the VF-31 is finally adopted by the Brisingr Alliance New UN Forces c.2069-2070, the VF-25 will be over ten years old. It'll doubtless have had some block updates which improved its performance in various areas and ironed out some bugs that've come up in routine operation of large fleets. It'll also probably have almost as many fleet-specific VF-25 specifications as there are operators of it. Thanks. Quamzin's expression there just perfectly captures the last few days I've had at work. -
Yeah, the original one from Macross Ace almost looks like something from a Miyazaki film.
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Star Trek: Picard (CBS All-Access)
Seto Kaiba replied to UN Spacy's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Well, it looks like Star Trek: Picard might be headed into some more trouble. CBS has announced at a separate event after the Las Vegas Star Trek convention that Star Trek: Picard is going to follow the narrative style and format of Star Trek: Discovery over that of the Star Trek: the Next Generation series. They've also revealed that they learned nothing from the commercial failure of the Bad Reboot Star Trek film trilogy or Star Trek: Nemesis. CBS has revealed that most of Star Trek: Picard's backstory is not going to be in the actual show. Instead, all that plot-essential backstory is going to be dumped into a 3 issue limited comic and a prequel novel... the same cockup they made with Star Trek (2009) and Star Trek: Into Darkness, where everything explaining how we ended up here and why was offloaded onto a limited comic series nobody read, leaving the plot surprisingly free of context. Brent Spiner has confirmed his appearance in the series as Data is a glorified cameo that he described as being more a plot point than a character, Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis have confirmed their appearances are a bit part in one episode, and Jeri Ryan has indicated Seven of Nine's involvement is going to be quite limited too. Unhelpfully, it sounds like they're going to be tying into the Star Trek: Countdown comic nobody read that set up the Bad Reboot trilogy as well... with the Romulan Empire studying the Borg for their technology, which was what led to the Narada going from a mining ship to a visual clusterf*ck. There's been a token change of showrunner but it seems that Star Trek still has untreated and near-terminal Kurtzmanitis...- 2171 replies
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Oh, probably... but the Wyvern was designed for a not-terribly-serious running column in Macross Ace magazine. It was not really intended to be taken completely seriously. The Wyvern 2 is that ill-advised attempt to take a joke machine seriously.
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Please post Bugs and Forum Feedback here
Seto Kaiba replied to Shawn's topic in MW Site News & Member Feedback
I've just had a run-in with a bug @pengbuzz commented on the other day. Posts seem to occasionally disappear and reappear, causing people to post the same post again. The Newbie and Short Questions thread's recent posts from this morning/last night have an example of this. I've also noticed, on occasion, that on hitting the Submit Reply button the contents of the message are posted but also remain in the editor. -
Nine, not counting the pilot.
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That's a quirk of IPB... the IPB rich text editor will retain the source formatting of copied and pasted text (incl. color, background color, size, and any other tags) unless you paste using CTRL-SHIFT-V instead of just CTRL-V. Most BBS software doesn't do that, and thus people copying and pasting stuff to here often find weird formatting when IPB attempts to make sense of whatever tag content was in the original. Since a lot of office applications have started doing the same thing, CTRL-SHIFT-V has become rather more useful than CTRL-V for most purposes. This term is the same in British English as it is in American English, at least according to the Oxford, Cambridge, and Collins English dictionaries... It's a dedicated two-seater Airborne Early Warning model, with some specialized hardware for fold wave-based electronic warfare and purports to be using an advanced version of the Aegis Pack that has a non-rotating phased array radome (a trait Master File's writers seem to really like, as they've incorporated it on several similar units). Apparently not, given that its description essentially describes its reconnaissance methodology as reconnaissance in force (seeing what the enemy's got by shooting at them until they come after you). It's noted to have reinforced energy conversion armor that is beefed up to twice the usual strength of the VF-25 with additional equipment to supply the armor with power. That's another oddity Master File's writers seem to be fond of... "VIP transport" conversions that gut the VF's transformation so it can accommodate a large passenger compartment. The airframe shape isn't actually that different, it's just the transformation's moving parts have been replaced with a static crew compartment and the shield replaced with a generator unit to provide power to the greatly-upscaled ISC system protecting the passengers from its acceleration. A carryover from Macross Ace magazine, actually. In the final analysis, that goofy thing is technically a stealth conversion... namely, one meant to eliminate the low level fold waves emitted by the Gravity and Inertia Control systems at the heart of the VF's compact thermonuclear reactors and make the VF-25 "invisible" to the Vajra's fold wave detection abilities by substituting a reciprocating engine and contrarotating propeller with that larger wing so the VF-25 would be able to function as a low-speed reconnaissance aircraft for surveying the Vajra home planet and Vajra habitat without being perceived as a potential threat. Development was cancelled after hostilities with the Vajra broke out in 2059.
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Well, that'd explain why the show mentions that protoculture tastes awful...
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It'd be rather hypocritical of me if I did get annoyed... I'm pretty damned pedantic myself, truth be told. (Ah, the perils of academia...) That's "restoration" you're thinking of, not "retrofitting". As a nautical term, "refit" can go either way... covering either restoration of a ship to its original condition as well as retrofitting it for purposes of modernization or customization, though the latter usage is far and away the more common one. "Retrofit" is a synonym of "Modernize" (per Roget's 21st Century Thesaurus, Third Edition).
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... dear gods why? So, business as usual? My favorite part is how 99% of the posters aren't even humans... you've got adbots spamming each other's threads incessantly. In other late-breaking news, water is wet!
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
At the time (c.2059 August), the handful of VF-25s that had been built to date were trial production units built for operational evaluation testing. The Frontier government contracted the local SMS branch to test those trial production VF-25s in actual combat conditions because there's less red tape involved... especially if somebody dies. Long story short, there were only a double handful of VF-25s in existence and all stationed aboard one ship: the SMS Macross Quarter. (You can see the SMS livery on the side of the nose and on the stabilizer.) We know that the SMS Macross Quarter had at least a few QF-4000s, since Luca had three, and that they had a workaround for the Vajra's high-powered ECM from a fairly early point. There is that, yeah... -
Those are Guantanamo-class stealth space aircraft carriers and Uraga-class stealth escort battle carriers, the two most common classes of aircraft carrier used by the New UN Spacy from the 2030s onward. The Guantanamo-class stealth carrier is a successor to the old ARMD-class space carriers used during the First Space War and the more advanced type seen after the war (sometimes called ARMD II-class), while the Uraga-class is a newer type that is able to operate in space and in water.
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Super Macross Mecha Fun Time Discussion Thread!
Seto Kaiba replied to Valkyrie Driver's topic in Movies and TV Series
They appear to use the QF-4000 Ghost in that role in the Macross Frontier TV series. The Macross Frontier fleet NUNS used QF-4000 Ghosts to conduct forward reconnaissance of the Vajra homeworld at the end of ep23. That looks to be a stock VF-25A though. IMO, the VF-25F would make a better choice for that kind of role given its enhanced air combat spec includes improvements to avionics and sensors and tunings that boost its agility and acceleration for use in dogfighting and reconnaissance-in-force roles. Variable Fighter Master File included a dedicated reconnaissance model on top of the moderately recon-focused RVF-25. -
What Current Anime Are You Watching Version v4.0
Seto Kaiba replied to wolfx's topic in Anime or Science Fiction
Not gonna lie, I hit like because you took the time to do the sound effect.