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Ha, I already said that several pages ago. But Cagalli is dumb. She rather kick ZAFT out first and then negotiate. Idiot. Prolonging the battle for no good reason just because she's too stupid to make one lousy on air speech. Pride kills..... but as we see in cagalli's case, so does stupidity. As for Bling gundam getting dragoons, bah, it can get a mini-Gensis as armament, but if it remains in the hands of the incompetent, it doesn't really matter. And one additional note, Orb is all of a sudden powerful again? It has it's own moon base? It doesn't seem right, if it was so damn powerful, why the hell is Cagalli so afraid of it getting trampled by EA?

as long as everyone can buy more models, Bandai can always make more people to get killed. Bring on the WMD I say and use liberally.

Here is a fun little question, you saw the beam slice through several colonies like it was been swept across. From the angle of the hit, we can rule out the targets being in the line of fire. So, how exactly are they bending that beam and sweeping it as it was fired? May be that's what having the thrusters are good for. Moving the thrusters can alter the beam path... Heh heh, another conundrum.

This is just the story going totally amok, Rey is going to end up as one of the penultimate bad guys, and it won't even make any sense. Bah, it's not as if I expected a good story at this point anyway. They could have Kira kissing Athrun in the lips next episode, and it wouldn't surprise me. As for the weapon, I can buy the concept of a reflective array, except light doesn't bend that far in a single cylinder, and then still go through For that to happen, the beam will hit the cylinder again. Ah well, it's like Bling Gundam physics, it doesn't have to make sense, just as long as it works like the idiots in charge thinks it ought to. Hmmm, you know if it's 120 cylinders, minus Junius 7, we still have something like 110 cylinders left. That's a lot, somebody blow up some more cylinders. Hmmm, speaking of the cylinders, from Rey's diagram, the PLANTS seem to be fairly spread out, unless those symbols depict stationary military target. But then, that just goes to show you how pathetic EA's nuke attack was. They should've come in from dozens of axis and avoided having the neutron stampeder being able to take out everything from on direction. And dammit, EA should've targeted December colonies instead, kill off all the basic educators... ha ha ha ha

But Lacus is a she.

The whole thing was funny in a way. You see Lacus whine and whine about Destiny plan, and all the other stuff, chain reaction of attacks. Does someone need to remind her that people in PLANT, her adoring fans just got toasted? Or was it because the people who got toasted weren't her fans to start with. NOT FAN OF LACUS SAMA? THEN YOU DIE. CALL OUT THE DOM TROOPERS. Effect, I also hope that the requime can get off at least one or two more shots, after all, even GENESIS got in two shots. I'm surprised though, seem like EA forgot about their nukes. Next Episode, we get Girty Lue again. YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Sounds like PLANTS are getting blown away. Having not seen this episode yet, it must be that the final weapon wasn't finished until just recently. Heh, that must've been interesting. Jibril probably didn't need to leave Orb to fire the weapon, but I'm guessing he needed to give the order. Either way, it sounds like he won't be needed much longer. The PLANTS going up seem to be much more entertaining than just one lousy Junius 7 drop. That means if they have a third seed series, they can have a whole lot more PLANTS to drop on the Earth. Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Who was it that sent the message though? It was never very clear, Baltar knew I think since Six told him, that's one possibility, the other was Boomer was the one who made the transmission. Not at all obvious, don't think they ever put that up. I don't think Adama told anyone else either did he? It was unconfirmed information from unknown source.

The BSG premise is actually a great one. It's an open ended story for survival. Given their numbers, it's actually pretty interesting to see people more or less always on the ropes. You get a good sense of despair all the time, and it's really nice to see hope getting raised (Cyclon basestar going kaboom) to everything going to hell (Adama getting shot) in the span of a few minutes. Then watching the character reactions. It's quite different from how JMS set up Babylon 5 as a story arc. But in both cases, you get a sense that it's an epic story that is being told. One is a little more open ended than the other. This is a long way from the various star trek incranations which became stale after a while. On a personal note, I still wish Starbuck was a man. The thought of Apollo and Zack sleeping with Starbuck was bad enough, the having her shacking up with Baltar too... yikes. Cause however you looked at it, the old Starbuck was generally an optimistic type even in the worst situations, this one is just plain dark most of the time.

Nope, didn't forget any of the above. But the interjection still makes no sense whatsoever. Remember, they were hiding out from ZAFT altogether after that incident. There was no need to get involved at all. But they made a decision to stop Orb, but the first part of that decision was to shot at the Minerva. Yet, their secondary action made no sense, either ZAFT is the enemy or it isn't. AA crew couldn't make up their minds. They shot Minerva first, then turned around and shot at Orb. On the flip side, for Minerva, all they knew was those people shot us on the first encounter. Given their interference, and Minerva's loss, at best AA and company is an agent of chaos. So best to take them down. Shinn's actions were understandable although a bit stupid. Because they had a bigger threat from the Orb contingent at that moment. By the way, there is no such thing as teamwork, how well did that work out anyway? I don't remember Kira answering Athrun during the first encounter. During the second, they were talking, and instead of trying to work things out, he sliced Athrun apart. Ok, as for working with each other. Let's continue the analogy, if I slugged you in the gut, and then I slugged your worst enemy, and then I slugged both of you again. Can you honestly tell me that you want to work with me? Especially since while slugging you, I've just been shouting nonsense about how violence is not good. You'd think I'm a lunatic, and at best I'm completely unstable and totally unreliable. That's what Panon and Seven are saying, AA and company are running around like a bunch of loose cannons. And the point is, while a loose cannon is good for whacking the other side, it's time to reign them in once they start hurting your side. Athrun came to the conclusion ahead of this because of the questions he started dropping. Let's just say they were a little less than reasonable. Up until that point, the chairman never had any reason to doubt Zala, but those questions along with the photos pretty much pushed him over the edge and ordering the arrest. 1. But lots of countries aren't harboring Jibril, Orb is. 2. Ok, so now, ZAFT is psychic, and they know that Serans are a distinct entity? Seran spoke for Orb, did you see anyone object to him on TV? Voice of opposition prior to or during the fight? No.... 3. The second attack was a consequence of the first. While I can understand the special ops side of the question, from the Minerva standpoint, they still saw things as random attacks against everyone. But once they're at Orb. 4. No, they're still loose cannons out to whack anyone who doesn't agree with them. Look at previous history. And by the way, did you hear any peep out of AA that specifically stated they were only here to kill Destroy? Their previous pattern was to attack everyone. There is nothing to suggest that they wouldn't continue this pattern once they wiped out the Destroy. They're acting as defacto Jibril soldiers by the time the attack on Orb came around. They are supporting Orb, which is sheltering Jibril deliberately. Ergo, from ZAFT's view, nutjobs moving to Jibril soldiers. Ok, sure... whatever. You're suggesting that after Yuna made his comments that ZAFT should just wait around and hope he changes his mind? It became obvious that he was in charge because no one rebutted him. There was a time lag of you don't know how much between Yuna's broadcast and the first strike. So, how long do you propose ZAFT wait? There are military considerations also, the longer you wait, the more time for Orb to shore up all their defenses so that the ZAFT troops will have an even harder time getting at Jibril. That's how a military mind would operate. In reality, a military mind set would be, attack without notifying, it's an element of surprise issue. And what reason does ZAFT have for stopping the attack half way through. They aren't psychics, they don't know there is a change in power. They just know that these guys are continuing to fight. And based on evidence, it's to protect Jibril. As for Luna, she is a soldier. Her objective was Jibril, so, technically speaking, if the Murasames were escorts, her only hope was to get in range, and shot down the shuttle before the Murasames got to her. Classic choice, do I kill the escorts and let the primary objective get away, or do I take the chance at the primary and hope I can survive long enough. It was a choice she made, and a good one. Ah ha, and that's why she attacked in the first place. Cause she knew better. Give me a break. If she knew better, she would've kept Minerva out of the fight entirely. Her retreat is a very logical decision for the commander on scene when the primary objective is done, or in this case, has escaped. Tell me something, would you waste your time doing something that was basically extra work? Talia was smart enough to realize the situation is changed, ZAFT forces at Orb was no longer necessary. It's called a reasonable response. If Jibril didn't escape, do you think the Minerva would still be fighting? I sure do. No, the message was, ZAFT was attacking to get to Jibril, Orb resisted it all the way throughout. Did Cagalli open up a dialouge in the middle of the fight? I think the answer is no, so, why would ZAFT stop fighting, and Orb keeps fighting back. Besides, ZAFT would've won if it weren't for the traitors that came down. Because Jibril was a superman? He could kill them with his awesome mental powers? No, the analogy is exactly correct. Even if Jibril threatened the Serans, he didn't have any ability to carry out that threat on the spot or back things up. And that just explains the Serans, not Orb as a whole. You can make excuses for Athrun for defecting on the one side because of judgement, and excuse the Orb military for not doing the same? A bit of a double standard don't you think? Ok, I can see where we'll end up with this. I think it's time to just say that we have differing points of view and get on with life.

When did Luna get dog ears? She looks like a crossover from Inuyasha.

I don't remember this, but according to Adama, his fake plan is to find Earth, the real plan is to keep people alive with hope of having some meaningful goal. But beyond keeping them alive, has Adama ever actually articulated a real plan for the fleet other than running away? Because going forward like this indefinitely doesn't work. Still, it's better than what Roslin is doing. A long term plan might be to find a habitable world to repopulate the human race (not the pscyho fantasy of Roslin's vision) and then eventually go after the Cylons. Don't know how viable that is, but it would be a fairly rational plan. Also, there isn't a good sense of time just yet, do we know how much time has passed between the destruction of the colonies and present day? That'll give us a rough measure of how many episodes Roslin has left barring a miracle, her cancer going into remission or someone shooting her for being such a looney.

Anubis, All you can do now is chalk it up to bad story writing. I guess if the whole idea is to write a confusing story where there is no good guy, and confusing the hell out of your audience they kind of succeeded. Too bad, such a promising show ended up in a gutter like this. Lacus, Mwu, etc are just the symptoms. They really should've stayed away from the GS characters, I think more than anything else, those are what really killed Seed as a series. The inevitable pull of the old stuff. Sad..... But that will not hurt their model sales at all.

If Meer was calling for peace, I wonder what Lacus is calling for. If she is calling for peace too, wouldn't that just become redundant? Meer: Peace I say, we must have peace. Lacus: Yes, peace, but only because I say so, that one is a fake, I'm the only one qualified to talk about peace. I have it trademarked and patented, therefore I have a monopoly on peace. They're not qualified, i.e. they are like the generic versions of the real thing, therefore, we should make war on them, and after they're utterly destroyed, we can have PEACE. Real Peace that is trademarked and patented.

Very good point, did Kira and AA's ends justified their means to getting to those ends? The answer is yes, if their ends were peace my way or you get ruthlessly suppressed by my war machines.

Ok, ok, so giving out a order to destory Freedom and AA without even trying to contact them after they helped you with taking out DESTORY and did not attack you and you just happen to Photoshop them out of it in your ZAFT NEWs Boardcast is a move that a “good guy†should make?? And all your reasoning for taking out Lacus means nothing when the Chairman is using a FAKE LACUS to help his cause. These are also the people that saved Plant 2 years ago. Let's parse that out shall we? Who fired the first shot, Freedom, attached to AA. They attacked Minerva essentially without warning. Can we agree on that? That alone is enough to justify counter attacking. I don't know about you, but do you recall Kira pleading with Minerva not to use the Tanhauser before the first shot? No. Then there was that incident when Kira started blasting away at Minerva's MS, Shinn, Athrun, Rey, during the second battle, granted, part of it was Shinn shooting at Cagalli, but there was already justification based on their first encounter. Again, all of ZAFT's actions after that point is a natural reaction. So, the order to destroy AA and Freedom was perfectly valid. The best thing you can say about AA and company is that they are a bunch of loose cannons out to destroy everyone. While that might be good if they were mainly pummeling your opponents, your opinion change very quickly if they started hurting you directly. Let me put it this way, if I walked up to you, and for no apparent reason slugged you in the gut, are you going to want to talk to me or will you fight back? Remember, if you decide to talk to me, I might just slug you in the face. Everyone knows that Athrun is not good with Words and that Shinn is not good at understanding them, when you add them together you’ll get those kind of sentences. But the truth was Zaft went out to get Athrun, Rey shot at Athrun with out warning and continue to do so, he also fire at Meyrin also. They want Athrun dead, and Athrun was not stupid enough to stay. Beside Athrun was still “Faith†at the time and he can do whatever he felt was right ( the chairman said so). So he can do whatever he wanted until the Chairman orders him to stop. He do not have to listen to Rey, Shin, or anyone else that ZAft. The Chairman gave permission to Athrun to do what he felt was right and Athrun is technically only under the Chairman’s command so until the Chairman himself tells Athrun to stop, anything he do will not consider disobey orders. What does Rey or Meyrin have to do with Athrun's sudden change of mind? He took the insane leap of conclusion right after his buddy got shot down. Chairman is evil because he shot down my friend, because he has a fake Lacus (who as far as he could tell was promoting peace like the real one has been unable to do), because of the supposed assassination on the real Lacus (which doesn't directly link to the chairman). That's like seeing the sky is blue, knowing that the gravitational constant of the Earth is 9.8 m/s^2 and then coming up with E=mc^2. It makes no sense. Hmm, perhaps it’s because ZAFT tried to kill AA and Kira awhile ago, they also try to kill Athrun, they also tried again to kill Lacus, and now they are attacking ORB before it’s supposed dead line to turn over the stupid Blue Cosmo leader. There is no longer any doubt that Zaft is out to get them so why can’t they fight them. Orb was not out to get them and is defending their country from getting invaded. So yeah it perfectly reasonable for them to do what did. If Requiem superweapon actually manages to hit Plant it’s everyone fault, but it’s more of ZAft’s fault for letting Djbriel escape from Heavens base in the first place. There was no involvement of ORB, AA or anyone else in that Heaven’s base battle and Djbriel still got away. You can’t blame anyone but yourself. Of course ZAFT is out to get them (AA and Orb), but keep in mind, Orb isn't the main objective. As for attacking Orb, let's see the reasons why: 1. Orb is part of EA 2. Orb is harboring Jibril (Jibril being the primary objective of ZAFT) 3. AA has launched unprovoked attack on ZAFT on multiple occasions including hijack of ZAFT shuttle. 4. AA is currently supporting Orb which is a part of the Alliance. (Did you hear anyone in Orb renouncing their affiliation with the Alliance during the fight?) From all appearences, AA and company went from dangerous rogues to becoming soliders of Jibril's EA. Hmmm, I think that's a good enough reason to attack them. By the way, what deadline are you talking about? And besides, Yuna's actions made it perfectly clear that Orb was out to lie their asses off. "We don't know this Jibril person, he said." Did you see Orb military launch a coup to topple the liars? No. Was there any indication during the entire fight that Orb changed their mind? Not until the absolute end when two Murasames tried to follow after Jibril, and that was questionable because you didn't see them firing on the shuttle, for all you know, they could've been an escort for Jibril. The fact that Talia stoppped the attack is indicative of the fact that ZAFT has a primary objective, and it isn't Orb, which is essentially just a sideshow at the moment. As for the Requime, here is the argument, ZAFT tried to apprehend Jibril, and failed. Note, they tried at least. On the surface of it, there isn't any evidence that Orb tried at all, on the contrary, the evidence is that Orb tried to shelter him, and helped him escape. (i.e. didn't hand him over, resisted ZAFT attempt to apprehend him) Cagalli's message afterwards can be construed as a clumsy denial after the fact, hoping to spare Orb from further attacks, it's called having your cake (help Jibril to escape) and eating it too (keeping Orb from getting attacked again). That's how it looks to someone who doesn't have an omniscent view of things. Your analogy if I break it down is this: if there was a criminal, you harbored him knowingly, then he murders someone, and you turned around and say to the judge: "but it's not my fault that the cops didn't catch this guy the first time, I'm blameless." Do you think any rational judge would accept that argument?

Just a little sarcasm, didn't you know Panon, it is so written that Kira and Lacus are good. They want peace after all, anyone who oppose them must be evil and therefore need to be ruthlessly suppressed with every possible weapon at hand. I wonder if Kira and company will even realize when Jibril is out in space nuking people that they're at least a little responsible for it. No... more likely, Lacus will say after ZAFT is finished with EA that "Orb is next." After all, Orb, if people didn't know it yet, is the center of the universe.

Nice analogy there. It's not entirely obvious that Apollo actually believes in all the religious mumble jumble like Starbuck, but I like the fact that he is a bit torn between daddy (who just recently reconciled with him) and the idea of having a functional democracy, which I think in this situation might not necessarily be a good idea. I think if nothing else, Galactica seriously need to get their fighter squadron resupplied. 12 Vipers just ain't enough. Although technically speaking, they'll soon have a Cylon gunship aboard. But without any viable manufacturing facilities, they'll be essentially like a carrier group saddled with a bunch of cruise lines and trash haulers with no port facility.

By that time, it would be the DOM three thousand. You know, the iron fist in the velvet glove type. I mean come on, how can people not see it, Lacus is pure evil, that cute little look and a singer at that who loves children, and then on the other hand, she has a cult following with essentially lots of specialized firepower and a technology base in Orb and a military grade factory in space. She's evil I tell you. EVIL. (for further proof, see secret cave hide outs all around Orb) BTW, Seven, nicely put, Kira and company are what you'd call agents of chaos. Heh heh.

Kira would make a awesome bad guy lackey, I need to clarify it a little, because if you look at Kira, he isn't a leader by any definition of the word, he is a great follower. So, he'd make a great semi final boss. Lacus on the other hand makes the best bad guy around. It'll be a major first, if they turned Lacus into the chief bad guy and Kira into her chief bootlicking enforcer. Think about it, she is a people person, she has a loyal following with a ridiculously message about peace that is not only impractical but make no real sense. If you look, she has followers in the Clyne faction, she probably has Orb in her pocket now that Cagalli is in charge (Face it, Cagalli isn't actually in the running for genius of the year), and she is just plain old dangerous. You can imagine if they have a third Seed series where Lacus goes over the edge, and takes Kira with him. She wants peace by any means. i.e. TOTAL DISARMAMENT, and she forces it on people, those who don't agree, she sends in Kira and her DOM troopers to pacify them. heh heh, makes nice fiction don't you think?

No, he survived, see that little gap, the Gouf fell over him, but the gap fell on him, so he was miraculously unharmed.... Oh who am I kidding, he died like a little girl. P.S. Legend, wasn't Anakin a hero too before he became an a-hole? Oops, never mind, he was always an a-hole, but he was a hero initially too I think. heh heh. Hero of the last war. kinda like Kira. I guess I just need Kira to be the bad guy, because he would fit that role better. Remember, any lamo could be a good guy, but it takes someone special to be a good bad guy. Shinn, Rey, Dullindal, etc, just don't cut it.

Actually, it was something like this: Shinn: I'm gonna touch you, I'm gonna touch you. Kira: Get away from me, you pervert with your disgusting hand, I'm not into this kind of stuff, but I hear Rey is, and he is right over there. Honestly though, to me, this whole thing just illustrates why the so called good guys are a bunch of morons. Let's do a visa commercial: Objective: capture or kill Jibril (something that both ZAFT and now Orb wants) Damage to Orb: several billion dollars Damage to ZAFT fleet: several billion dollars Watching Lord Jibril escape while laughing his ass off at the stupidity of his collective enemies: PRICELESS And someone remind me again why Rey and Shinn are supposed to be the bad guys here? As far as I can tell it's because they are going against Kira and company. Since Kira must be a good guy, Rey and Shinn must be bad. Oh, and how come Neo/Mwu is a good guy now? From what I see, it's the I lost my memory, but now I remember, I want to be with the good guys syndrom. Oh, and never mind the fact that I ordered Stella to kill a bunch of people for laughs, or attack Armory One or any of the other crap.

Destiny is shown in prime time - 6:30pm Saturday nights. Destiny's ratings are good without being great - it's rating about 15% lower than SEED and Fullmetal Alchemist did in the same timeslot (although it's outselling SEED in dvds, and outselling FMA in dvd by a lot) Money Sunrise/Bandai have made off Gundam for the last couple of years is - For perspective, 32 billion yen is about 295 million US dollars. A 'good amount' of cash. 319968[/snapback] Ah ha, so the whole merchandising thing is true, you can have a lousy story, a crappy series, and end up making a ton of money because of merchandising... well, actually it's not that much of a surprise.

Actually, you're right, it is a bit of a hangup... to watch a woman acting that way is a bit unsettling. She is actually pretty well modeled on the original Starbuck. But as for the religious zealot. Well, what can I say, she is NUTS. What she was saying: "hey, follow me back to where the Cylons like to camp out, we can all get bombed there." The cylon baby factory makes sense in a twisted way, but this God stuff isn't... at least not yet. I am looking forward to Pegasus, I'm hoping it survives in the long run. In the original series, what Pegasus added was one female character, who was pretty hot back then.

Oh my God, Starbuck is a whore.... pardon the language, but first Baltar and now this weirdo? Holy crap, the old womanizing Starbuck must be rolling over in his grave right now. I know, I know, Dirk is still alive.