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Congratulations, Wes! :thumbsup:

That may be, oh Illiterate One, but it still doesn't bring him forgiveness for birthing the abomniation known as Streamline. There's nothing faithful about anything the guy's ever done. He worked, IIRC on HEavy Metal, and that was a gorgeous film. I will give him that one.

The answer is....we just don't know. Well, whatever it was, we know that if Millia knew about it, she'd re-enact the knife fight...only this time probably finishing the job!

The manga Macross 7 Trash is supposed to be about Max's illegitimate son, IIRC.

Yes and no. Originally, the GERWALK had been part of a "dummy" concept to capitalize on the Gundam craze so that the first sponsor, Wiz, would fund Megaroad. When Kawamori saw the Takatoku prototype, it reminded him of the dummy idea, and he incorporated the design into Macross.

One constructive criticism...please don't type in all caps. It distracts from your message, since it's the Internet version of shouting at the top of your lungs.

I found this technique on the Aircraft Resource Center website (www.aircraftresourcecenter.com) and it works relatively well for filling gaps and seam lines on models. What you need: 1) clear white paper glue (Elmers' or stuff like it -- you know like the glues they had in elementary school) 2) Warm water (for this, the warmer the better, so long as it's not just plain hot) 3) A paper towel or napkin (something strong--no Kleenex) 4) a model with seam lines or gaps. What you do is put a bead of glue onto the seam line of the model (don't worry about getting on the outside) completely along the length of the gap. Once you've done this, dip the paper towel in the warm water and wring it out so it's just still damp. Then, run the damp towel over the seam, wiping off the excess glue on either side. (if you've done it right, the glue in the seam will remain.) Let the glue dry (you may have to repeat this process a couple of times for deep seams) and then paint as normal. The white glue will have filled the seam almost as well as putty.

Shoji Kawamori. Seriously, my own theory is that (given what we know about the events of M7) that the Evil (prounounced "eh-vil") series Zentradi had been produced as sort of a system to "watch the watchers," to smack down regular Zents who got out of hand. This was what the "Supervision Army" was to be like as originally envisioned by the Protocultures.

No...what did they say?

Then again, It was mentioned in another forum that there's really no comparable "one-stop-shop" for Macross fandom in Japanese, and we do get quite a few Japanese in the forums apparently, so who knows?

When I first read it, I thought it was Mizugi, or "swimsuit," which makes no damn sense either...

I can't see how it wouldn't matter. The story is the essence to any creative work of that nature -- the animation wouldn't exist (or would be just a series of pretty [unless they're AnimeFriend or Star Pro] pictures) without it. Every animated picture has to have a story that's integral to it. Even Windsor McCay's "Gertie the Dinosaur" of circa 1910 had a brief story to it: Gertie is hungry. She eats tree. Yum! Besides, if BW/SN still own the plot, and not TP (which owns the footage, at least, to the TV series), there's two legal scenarios that could happen (IANAL, so anyone with more legal chops, feel free to correct me) 1) If BW felt like making it an issue, couldn't they challenge any further worldwide release of Macross ont he grounds that they didn't give consent for the underlying plot (their property) to be sold without their consent? 2) what's to stop them from reassembling as much of the cast as possible, and re-animating the series? There is precedent for this, at least in US/Euro law. Ian Fleming and a man named Kevin McClorry co-wrote the James Bond novel "Thunderball." McClorry had been invited in to co-write this novel by Fleming to aid in its transition to the movie screen -- by this time, MGM was courting Fleming to bring his sceret agent to the silver screen. McClorry somehow was able to secure, as part of his payment, the rights to the novel (except for author's credit). After MGM/Danjaq/Eon made "Thunderball," McClorry was left with a property that he wanted to exploit, and believed that he had the rights (based on his co-authorship to "Thunderball") to use the James Bond character in other movies. Finally, in the late '70s, he wrote and shopped around the script for what would become 1983's "Never Say Never Again," and Cubby Broccoli (the producer for the now mega-lucrative franchise) went through the roof. He sued McClorry, claiming copyright infringement, trademark infringement, the whle nine yards. In the end, the courts ruled that McClorry did have some rights to the James Bond universe -- he could use James Bond only in derivatives of the story to "Thunderball." In other words, he could exploit that particular story independently of Cubby Broccoli, Danjaq or MGM, since he was the author. Of course, he wasn't able to use Monte Norman's iconic theme nor the famed "gunbarrel" opening, but the courts said he could make a Bond film. 20th Century Fox released it in 1983. In the same way, if BW and SN own the story itself, they could say to TP "Keep the footage. We'll do a re-make of the show." Or conversely, if TP owns the story, they could do stories that are direct derivatives of Macross TOS, and nothing else. That's why ownership of the story is so important.

Nah, they're different apochryphal Starfleet Ships from the Starfleet Tech Manual (brought out back int he '70s and can still be found in any bookstore). It's probably from a Starfleet game of some sort (maybe the licensed one done by FASA back in the early '80s.)

Dunno about most of them, but the blue one on the far left is probably a Skywings diecast F4-U Corsair...they're made by the mountain in China and something like five or six different toy distributors sell 'em here in the states with different painting variations (i.e. different schemes, a difference between sticker decals and painted-on markings, etc.) The Viggens in another picture are the same manufacturer.

Just keep looking. I found a copy of the original Victor Japan set in a Eugene, OR comic book shop, and it only cost around $40. (I know it was the original, as it had all of the original Victor logos, and no signs of it being bootlegged in Taiwan or HK.)

I guess that makes as good as explanation as any given DYRL is a fictionalized retelling of Space War one within the Macross Universe. I always figured even if the events in DYRL became more dramatic for the perceived post-war audience, that it followed the TV series somewhat by having Bodolza destroy Earth. I guess Britai decided to destroy first and ask questions later when it came to Earth since presumably the Macross opened fire first upon his fleet. That's part of it, but also from the way events unfold int he movie, it almost has to make sense. It's like this: 1) Hikaru, Minmay, Misa, Kaifun and Roy are captured by the Zentradi around Saturn. 2) Britai's ship makes a fold out to somewhere (at least to me, presumably out of the system, since there's no mention of Bodolza's fortress at the beginning of the movie, but perhaps as far in the system as between the Oort Cloud and Pluto's orbit) 3) The Miclones are interrogated, and Misa and Hikaru escape. At thsi time, Britai is in the middle of a space fold, and Hikaru and Misa accidentally hitch a ride in the fold system of another ship heading to Earth, where they crash-land. In this series of events, it looks as if Bodolzaa's ship is in free space, nowhere near a planet, and certainly not in the inner band of the Solar System. Now, none of this precludes another theory, in which Bodolzaa's fleet did drop in to help on the annihilation of Earth, and then bugged out, leaving Britai with the task of mopping up. But I tend towards the view that Britai's fleet, with over 1000 ships, would have destroyed Earth thouroghly over the course of a few days, and then only called in Bodolzaa's entire fleet once it became clear that the ship's inhabitants may have a weapon useful in beating the Meltrandi.

LOL! Yeah, that was amusing to see. Now we'll have to compete to see who gets mentioned by name over there. Anyway, thanks for the translations. It looks like some of those fans are as obnoxious, outspoken and opinionated as we are. Well, ya gotta remember that there are at least a few English-speaking Japanese fans (such as Q-san) who visit the boards every once in a while, and certainly there's some word of mouth. IINM, quite a few Japanese fan-sites even link to MW. And isn't the whole object of being a fan to be obnoxious, outspoken and opinionated? If we weren't wouldn't we fall to the level of -- gasp -- mere viewer?

However, If someone wants to venture a guess, I'd say it was Britai. At least to me, it seems that Britai's fleet is the one on the scene for much of the movie, with Bodolza only being called in relatively late to deal with the fact that the Zentradi have found Miclones.

Exactly. My family is Catholic (and I'm nominally Catholic), but when I'm in a Macross board, I'm not interested in being prothlesyzed to (or having others be prothlesyzed to) any more than I'm sure that people would care about the HG vs. BW debate on a Vatican message board.

I'm probably gonna vote for Cthulu... I'm sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils! (proudly stolen from a bumper sticker )

Well, if nothing else, it looks like among us fanboys, Yamato's got the same checkered rep in Japan that they've got here

Sorta. From what I had seen, Christmas is a romantic holiday, where you take your GF out for a nice dinner and then treat her to some Christmans cake. Of course, there's also the giving gifts to everyone you know element. But like here, it's lost it's original identity as a religious holiday as other layers have been poured on. (Interesting, useless side note time : Here in the United States, in some of the original colonies, Christmas was banned by some of the original Puritan settlers as being unseemly to "celebrate the physical incarnation of Jesus rather than his death on the cross and the world's redemption." It remained banned up until the beginning of the 18th Century in some locales.) As to the larger question of religion in Macross, there's no real evidence for any character's religious leaninings (or lack thereof), excpet for Max, and all that shows is that he's Christian. (What, you don't think Anglicans and Eastern Orthodox cross themselves too?) Macross really isn't a religious show, and to inteject it would have diluted the messages of the show. Although it would be a scary thought to see a fundamentalist preacher (of any religion) get the attention of a significant number of Zentradi...

One other interesting note on her career: Apparently, according to the IMDB, she helped in arranging and scoring a restored version of the 1922 Thomas Ince silent film "Lorna Doone."

Naaah...although it'd be one hell of a detailed beauty, a 1/18 aircraft would just be TOO big. No plade to put it -- unless I want to clear off my entire desk.

What it might, might, MIGHT be is something as simple as compressed air/CO2 baloons in the wings/fuselage. Some aircraft had them in the pre-WW2 era (for instance on the TBD-2 Devestator) to use in cast the pilot had to ditch. He'd inflate the baloons, make a soft water landing (or as soft as possible, and float the craft on the baloons until he and it were rescued. The baloons were taken out of US craft at the beginnig of WW2, by the way, out of concerns that the rescuer would be Japanese or German, and not Allied. It wouldn't be hard to imagine a beefed-up version of that in a Valk.