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Thanks for so perfectly illustrating my point:

took me less than 30 mins to permanently fix the one busted shoulder my 1 out of 12 ver 2 1/60 vf-1's had. Boohoo, end of the world. Yeah, I'll take those odds over the two busted hinges and an entire 25 worth of suck any day and twice on sundays. It still boils down to the fact that your doomsday scenario for a yamato vf-25 is just that, a doomsday scenario. But we've all seen what Bandai's answer is. I guess in that respect you're right. If yamato had released something so flawed as the dx vf-25, there would be panic and hysteria here. But since it's Bandai, all's well.

there's a few: http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/hasbro-masterpiece-grimlock-t67501.php

Meh, trivializing the numerous issues that went wrong with the DX 25 while creating a worst case scenario for a yamato launch is really fun rhetoric but it's not really an honest exchange. The fact is, the dx 25 required a re-tool to be able to wear that armor requiring people to have to rebuy their valks to be able to get it. A great deal of what they did sell was through websclusives... meaning Bandai either couldn't get retailers to commit to it or just wanted to exploit fans. The flip side of the argument could just as easily be: I'd have a nice line up of yamato frontier valks that cost 25% less because yamato didn't have to pay licensing fees this time around. Toys that look aesthetically like they were designed this decade and not last. Toys that didn't require a revision just to get it to work with accessories that I didn't have to pay someone to be a proxy buyer for me that fit on the standalone figures I bought in the first place without having to swap out little bits here and there, dismantle part of the leg here, keep track of a little neck extension piece there and oh yeah, the gunpod would stow in fighter mode without another little add on clip piece. With uniform color across the entire toy. All that and the paint wouldn't rub off when I touched it. And I've said this before but you can always fix broken, it's harder to fix this:

fair enough.

Well, we know for certain there were some black ops missions... so I think a show following Bill's rise and fall in the fleet, post Cylon War, could still be good. High tension, cold war era with the engagements that are more like sub versus sub rather than the all out dog fights from BSG. And personally, I think the character of Bill Adama is rich enough that I would stick around to see how Husker becomes the Old Man.

Yeah, you can point to any specific yamato release and it will have either poor QC or a flawed design, but my point is the dx vf-25 has them ALL. In one toy. It's spectacularly poorly designed with a transformation that causes joints to break, one of the the 3 modes is flat out broken requiring a partial mistransformation just to get it to look like it does in the show, there's a key hinge that doesn't work because there's no way it supports any weight without shoving something in there (this joint isn't even fixed on the 27), the plastic is of such poor quality it can't even retain its own volume over time and the paint job is atrocious. So yeah. Maybe if Yamato did it first there would be something wrong but there's plenty wrong with the dx vf-25. There's no way you can honestly argue that the quality and design of the dx 25 is a win for bandai.

Yeah, going up against the v.2 1/60 vf-1 is a tough match up since the price differential isn't as great. But against yamato's 200$ toys the hi-metals should be very competitive.

I really can't believe you're still arguing that a yamato offering would have had more issues than the DX. The DX has everything that yamato ever had wrong all rolled up into one oily package. Stress marks? check busted joints? check. poor fit? check. parts falling off? check. accessories it wasn't designed for? check And it managed to introduce flake off paint to that list as well. Honestly,my armored ozma sat on a shelf for years doing absolutely nothing and several key joints are floppy as hell. How does that happen other than the plastic is such complete garbage it out gassed and somehow diminished in volume? And the back plate... the back plate is a swarm of stress marks and cracks.

There were plenty of lucas and michael tpye 25's getting the sale treatment as well and don't forget that a lot of the markups were because so much of the 25 line was sold as websclusives. That a few alto types got marked up on the grey market really doesn't mean anything one way or another when you look at how the market treated the 25 line as a whole. And please, the 25 has enough QC and design issues of its own, it really can't claim any sort of win in that department over anything yamato has put out this decade. And that argument really doesn't fall under what this thread is about. I just don't see that there's some cadre of bandai loyalists who would have refused to buy a yamato 1/60 vf-25 just like I don't think it's believable that there's a bunch of bandai loyalists who rushed out and bought dx 25 just because it has "bandai" on the box.

You have to realize the way an adult "plays" with a toy is not the way a child does. Kids cooperatively play with each other, creating new narratives, role playing, re-purposing toys from other lines, etc. It's a much more involved process than simply having something they saw from a TV show. And while there are sandbox type games, most games are not this. If you play halo you're playing halo. 99% of games don't allow the user to create their own narrative, create their own figures and even many multiplayer/cooperative games today don't even have a shared console mode thereby removing the social aspect of group play that's vital and necessary for kids to develop social skills. Toys also help develop spatial and engineering thinking that, again, most games don't offer. Just because a game may feature "physics" doesn't go nearly as far in teaching a child how physics actually work compared to building something out of blocks, legos, or other other comparable toys. I'm a parent and I see a huge difference between children who play with toys and have little to no screen time, compared to children who spend the majority of their play time watching tv or playing games. Greater attention spans, better socialization, increased vocabulary and more complex sentence structures (grouping of words and ideas and concepts).

I don't think you can make that claim. Bandai helped to produce Frontier so they wouldn't need to wait on licenses and what not. They would have been able to start work producing the 25 when the anime was still in production. Yamato has had no such luxury. As for bandai being able to muscle in morer products... I dunno about that either. Their 1/100 line was a failure, their vajra is a no show, the 1/48 model is a no show and now there's talk of even the hi-metal line coming to a premature close. Meanwhile, Yamato has been able to keep producing toys from shows that aren't on the air, don't have movies in the theaters and don't have a concert series to keep the hype going. While the bandai brand may have brought in some extra sales from the die hard Yamato-haters in from the cold, I think it's far more likely to say that the dx 25 did well because of the huge success of the show rather than anything else.

meh, the price is in range with any large, complex garage resin kit.

I am a biotic god!

yeah, the stuff I read said that kids ad young adults are more interested in video games now then toys. So when you figure in that the anime market in general is shrinking and now having to compete with games... it's not looking so hot.

I thought it was fun but it felt like when they tacked the dismemberment feature on it hit the engine pretty hard... there's this weird pause right after your attack hits.

Yup, Bill's first combat mission coincides with the end of the Cylon war. The show doesn't make it sound like there were many "cold war" skirmishes between the colonies and the cylons either.

Seoul isn't nearly as bad as Tokyo... Mostly because most of Seoul was burned to the ground during the war and when it was rebuilt it was done so with modern city planning at the time. And older districts that did survive, like shinchon, are being systematically torn down and rebuilt. It's still a far cry from the bland rigidity of American cities like LA and SF but it's not the maze like corridors you can find in some areas of Tokyo.

Do you mean the 21 will get released? We've seen mock ups of the 21 but I don't recall any pictures of a hi-metal yf-19... unless they're just going to repaint the vf-19 and stick a yf-19 head on it.

considering the dx vf-25 is plagued with numerous yamato-like issues on top of a host of poor design issues with a side of websclusive-crapola for good measure... I can say that if yamato had done the vf-25 it certainly would have been more popular with ME.

Wow, no one is accusing Bandai of anything. Just asking to not throw in the towel just yet. Jeebus, don't get your panties in a bunch.

Too bad my wife doesn't for oakley anymore... http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/3D_Glasses/Oakley/Oakley_Debuts_Tron_3D_Glasses_/5653

sounds good to me. Who's got a house and a big ass tv?

nice shots. Love the use of the lights.

Can't say it's surprising but I really hope bandai waits to see how the other series valks do before deciding to cancel the line. There's been some version of the vf-1 out on the market for a decade now... I'm sure the market is pretty saturated.