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are you saying that girl with the green hair is actually a guy???

okay, I like the black with gold... I guess i have to get these guys.

which would be the reason why I used the word "seems."

Yup yup.. I love the interior san francisco inspired city shots. And I find myself enjoying the look of the animation. It does have a macross 7 feel, in the choice of colors and lighting. Which I don't mind, I just appreciate that it seems to have a much higher production value. And the CG valk does look... meh. It's hard to really get a feel of the design yet, but I'll wait and see.

Exactly, the OVA's are short, of course they're going to deal with one event. The difference is HOW they deal with the event. In Plus, you see Isamu , Guld and Myung actually struggle with their shared past and how it affects their current lives. You actually see the consequences of how each, individually, chose to deal with a traumatic event and the steps they each take in their own ways to deal with it. I hardly see how that can be described as shallow characterization. And to call Isamu and Basara the same character is pretty off. Isamu may not care about what people think of him, but it's pretty obvious by the end of the OVA that it's nothing more than an act. A way for for him to protect himself from becoming emotionally attached to others, so that he won't be betrayed again. And even at the height of his acting out, he rarely tries to push his beliefs on others, instead it's more of a casual disregard and recklessness. Basara on the other hand, shoves his beliefs down other people's throats and has no motivations other than the infantile truism: war is bad, my singing can stop it! As for Zero, zero showed a clash of cultures and philosophies. If juxtaposed hard and soft, flexible and rigid, moral objectivity and a subjective world view. The characters each came into it, having their personalities shaped by one moral and ethical code or another and their interactions were driven by it. They struggled with how reality and situations challenged their world views. Again, Zero has people actually reacting and coming to grips with what is happening in their lives. The most you can say about 7 was they were fighting some space monster... but their core beliefs, their motivations are never challenged, other then they all come around to Basra's War is Bad mantra. And yes, I understand that this was a central theme of SDF:M, but 7 does it in such a childish and black and white way. There's none of the moral ambiguity, the personal struggle that was seen in SDF:M that makes for good drama.

I honestly think you have that in reverse. Mac Plus and even Mac Zero's characters had actual motivations and their personal relationships or lack of, heavily influenced their actions and their moral codes. M7 featured a guy who didn't care at all about what people thought about him and flew around in a bright red valk shooting missiles that turned into speakers. Macross 7 is very much in the vein of Macross II and it's minmei attack cheesiness. The supporting characters, even max and millia were little more than cardboard cutouts with the barest of motivations. Heck, even the stalker girl in white following around basara has as much motivation as half the cast of macross 7 and all she does is stand there.

meh, I don't mind it when sqidd does it.

so you WERE celebrating! well stop quoting pictures will you, it's kind of annoying.

I don't even mind the idea of some "space monster" just as long as it doesn't look like it came out of an episode of power rangers. The idea of an organic, space faring creature has been done pretty well in shows like star trek and babylon 5. for me, it's just a matter of how they approach it.

I agree, but I also thought that both Zero and Plus did a good job with exploring that theme. It was only m7 that really deviated and went into macross II territory with speaker missiles and what not.

ah, see, for me, "rock bottom" is an objective rating.

meh, just because someone doesn't like the particular direction of the macross show someone else enjoyed, doesn't make them a naysayer. And I don't think macross has hit rockbottom at all.. as much as I don't like 7, i don't think it was anywhere NEAR as bad as Gundam Wing, or 90% of the other Gundam sequels and spin offs.

What did you think about the 2D quality of Aquarion, the opening sequence had some nice stuff, imo. If the CG of Frontier is around Ghost in a Shell: SAC quality, I'll be happy enough.

meh, macross and aquarion are different sub genres... so I'm not going to get all depressed over satelight's involvment. Like spaceace2012, I'll wait until I see something with my own eyes before i jump on the everything sucks bandwagon.

paper craft movie bumblebee... pretty amazing. http://wonderdasher.blog.sohu.com/59275208.html

I never bothered with aquarion, but I didn't think the animation quality was bad, it looked nice and clean... certainly better than the washed out, grainy mess that is M7.

macross 7 *feel*? Thats sad to hear.

oh, is that what he was doing? I thought he finally ponied up the extra five bucks and got DSL or something and was celebrating.

Yoko Kanno is back! That's great news!

no news? not even cell cam stuff? sad.

another day, another *bump*

haha, I did all that stuff so many times. For me, it was definitely comcast's POS DNS server. When i had troulbe resolving www.google.com, I knew I had problems.

wow, she's pretty good! thanks for turning us on to her.

setting the bar a little low, aren't we?

never saw 0080, 0083 is pretty much the only gundam series that I really enjoyed.