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BWAHAHAHAHAHA... whoever did it, Dr. Movie, the Japanese... whoever did it gets a standing ovation from me.

I love my 1/48s. In fighter mode with fast packs they have a presence that the new 1/60s don't match, imo.

Ha, awesome. Chainsaws should be standard issue for valks!

Oh, if only that were true, than I wouldn't get sucked into so many worthless debates with people who have the reading comprehension of a 2 year old.

hey, if it helps you feel better about the fact that you're not able to read a complete sentence without getting your panties in a twist (let alone the entire paragraph), then I've already helped someone and my day's only just begun. Good times. By the way, Claremont and the rest of the 80's called, they want their air quotes back.

If that piece of condescending pedantic drivel is what passes for an apology in your world, I accept it.

you missed the part where I said rorschach was a DISTILLED wolverine, devoid of the superhero trappings. I got it and expressed it clearly, you're the one who tried to turn this into Wolverine the noble knight.

Old school wolverine's gutted plenty of soviet guards and mobsters. When he takes on the hellfire club he's in the sewers having just gutted a guard. Wolverine is asked to find out what happened to a friend's child, he slaughters untold number of japanese mobsters finding out where the kid was buried. At least Rorschach put the cleaver in the actual killer's head, wolverine slices up informants. In X-men number 1 (the jim lee reboot) Magneto and Cyclops both remark that Wolverine was trying to outright kill Magneto. In X-men number 4 he's seen lifting his would be kidnappers by his claws which Wolverine has stuck in his chest at the time. In X-men #5 he's seen standing over a body that has claw stab wound through the top of the head. In X-men 113 Wolverine kills 2 guards, even cyclopes doesn't care and that book ends with Wolverine driving his claws through a defeated and powerless magneto. In a recent X-force issue, wolverine has the leader of some anti-mutant cult in chains and he's hanging there upside down. Rather than bring him back to have some chip in his head removed, he lobs off the top of his skull and digs it out. In wolverine Get Mystique, he leaves her mortally wounded out in the middle of the desert with a gun with one round. Wolverine has put his claws through Sabertooth's head and more recently cut him to pieces with his magic sword after he had literally disarmed him. And there's lots and lots of one shots where wolverine hunts down a small time crook or murderer to kill them. In the ultimate universe Wolverine has to be stopped by chuck to keep from chopping cyke up and later on he leaves him to die anyways. That wolverine has also fatally stabbed magneto through the chest and cut out Colossus' heart. He also killed Bishop. There are piles and piles and piles of bodies around wolverine. Some of the most iconic images of Wolverine are him standing atop a pile of bodies he recently slashed to pieces. Even during claremont's run, wolverine killed plenty of normal human mobsters in Japan. Rorschach is pretty obviously meant to satirize wolverine and other such 'heroes', imo. The heavy handed didactic self righteous moralizing, the over the top brutality, even making him short and repugnant physically. Those traits directly reference both the punisher and wolverine.

I guess it all depends on what you mean by unnecessarily as there are numerous upon numerous instances of wolverine killing people that he had already incapacitated or otherwise detained. The problem with wolverine is there's so many depictions of him, bushido spouting zen master dude, crazed drunken brawler, rescuer of little children and maker of orphans. Personally, I don't see the difference. Rorschach IS wolverine, distilled down without the superhero spandex wearing silliness. They both put their own moral code above anyone else's.

That describes Wolverine to a T and yet he's a cartoon character that kids worldwide adore and put on their lunch box...

Why wouldn't the shield protect the portion of the planet that the shield generator was covering? You're gonna go through all the trouble of making a nigh invincible planetary shield and leave the shield generator wide open What's to stop someone from orbit just move to a better angle then? And why would you put the defensive structures on the outside of the shield, as in when the ATATs are happily blasting away the laser towers. Because if the shields are like how they were on Alderaan it's out in the atmosphere, so that means a radius of some 120km and there's no way those ATATs walked 120kms to the shield generators. As for the size of the Imp fleet, this guy has a long ass essay on the matter and it doesn't come close to even one bodolza class fleet: 25,000 Imp SD

yeah... I went and looked it up after I saw that comparison pic but that gun is still massively huge.

To me it's the crusader that looks ridiculous.. look at the size of that gun!

The shields don't kill humans but they do stop fast moving objects and explode against lasers (and not just explode but little FUSION reactions lol)and they attract the sand worms and they are among the most nonsensical of energy shields in all of science fiction

Which is why in all of my comparisons I have accepted as fact what's shown on screen. Besides, it's not throwing stones, it's trying to make sense of what's sense of what's shown to understand the properties of the various offensive and defensive systems so we can draw better conclusions. If you want to say an X-wing's shields could stop a bullet, you have to explain why it doesn't stop other physical/kinetic things from passing through, like when luke takes out one of those towers on the SD and receives damage when he flies through the resulting explosion.

This is your Valks doing a CSI impersonation coming upon a dismembered leg...

Actually, I think they would find the main gun technology to be pretty exotic. The big gun on a DS is still just a really big ass array of turbo lasers, it's not a fundamentally different type of weapon. On the other hand, the main gun (if the name is to be taken literally) is some sort of multi dimensional energy. And the fleet structures are more similar than you're making it out to be. In the books, it's made clear that the fleet cohesion of the Imp navy was held together by the Force through the emperor and that without his influence they weren't able to fight effectively. So both fleets are heavily dependent on command structures it's just that there are 1000-2000 zent fleets, each fleet further broken down to smaller fleets commanded by Nupetiet-Vergnitzs-Class Fleet Command Battleships and then further broken down, etc.

It also doesn't make any sense... why did the shields stop orbital bombardment but an AT AT can walk up to it and take it out? If those shields can deflect asteroids and space debris why could the ATAT just walk right through it? IMO, it's pretty obvious that they weren't thinking about consistency or even logic when it came to weapons in SW rather going for "cool" every time.

Huh, individually? Any post TIE snub fighter would make short work of any zent or UN SPACY snub fighter, imo. Fleet to fleet? Well, the macross carried 120 ghosts, 300 FAST pack equiped valks, some 500 destroids, the NMC fields 450 valks and who knows what the larger zent capital ships could carry. Versus, 72 TIEs in an Imp SD. And I think the engagement styles of the two universes works in favor of the Macross U. Macross is modeled after conventional modern tactics, long range engagements first, dog fighting to clean up. SW has snub fighters relying mostly on lasers and mixing it up in dog fights. The valks are more likely to unleash their full salvo of missiles at range which can be around 50+ missiles per unit x 450 valks at multiple targets and then close in to mop up the survivors. Even if the individual ordinance on a valk doesn't compare to a proton torpedo... the dozens upon dozens of friends following would surely make up the difference. Valks are also FAR more effective at anti missile countermeasures compared to the snub fighters in the SW universe. And given how large and slow and bright SW missiles are, I think valks would easily shoot them down before they had a chance to hit.

Well, I dunno if it's Mars orbit far, but certainly from the size of alderaan it's far past lunar orbit. But given that the main gun on the SDF-1 fired through an island and atmosphere and still hit and completely vaporized some ships 280,000km away (about 2/3rd's the way to the moon at its closest point) I would have to imagine that the main guns on the larger capital ships (the SDF-1 is a gunboat... like a frigate in SW) and the main gun on the fleet command ships would have ranges comparable to the death star. And the death star can only shoot in front of itself, I'm sure a couple hundred gunboats firing off their main guns behind the death star would quickly take one out of fight. The frigate thing brings up another point. In the SW universe the larger capital ships are devastating to be sure, but the smaller support frigates are pretty useless. Even the older cap ships like dreadnoughts don't compare at all the an Imp SD. While even the smaller capital ships in a zent fleet sport main guns than can take out the largest capital ships with one shot.

The fleet command ship in SDFM is the size of the entirety of the Japanese islands (diameter anyways)... the DYRL version has the big ass gun though it's only 600km across compared to 1400km for the SDFM version. However the SDFM version still dwarfs the two death stars though arguably if either of the death stars got a clear shot at the Bodolza class ship it would be game over... but I guess it would come down to the range of each ship's main weapon and their specific maneuverability. Still, 3 death stars versus 1000 Bodolza class ships, again, maybe the SW uber capital ship is more powerful but the zent fleet has sheer numbers on its side.

Well, without knowing how powerful the weapons are in the Macross universe, it's hard to make a real comparison, no? Anyways, there are thousands (1000-2000) zent fleets that are 5 million ships strong. Add PPB to those ships and their sheer number would crush the Imp fleet even if an individual SD is stronger than an individual zent ship. Add to that the fact that each fleet is commanded by that huge ass Command ship with it's grand cannon type main gun... even if the imps never lost the proto DS, the DS and DS II, they would still be out maneuvered and dismantled quite easily. And remember, those main guns can fire in arcs and their continuous output is over a duration of time. So one shot from a main gun could wipe out several capital ships and hundreds of smaller ships at one time. As for proton torpedoes versus reaction missiles, reaction war heads have a much larger destructive range than a proton torpedo which is mostly used for anti-ship uses not anti capital ship (when they're used in that fashion, dozens upon dozens of torpedoes are used) ... reaction war heads are for anti-fleet engagements.

It means you'll never win the lotto since you used up your luck already. But damn! I've never met anyone hit by lightning, the closest was a college friend who was in a van when it got hit by a falling powerline.