Hurin

That would all depend on whether or not you think Simpsons has already jumped.

Tell me about it. NBC is a basket case right now. They can't seem to get new episodes made. . . and while they wait, they move a show all over the map and pre-empt it for some lame reality show. Then, of course, they love to move their Thursday shows all over the week. Did anyone notice that "Tuesday is Thursday on NBC!" crap? Not to mention, all the shows were 40-minutes long. Oh, and the Friends they showed was the "new" one that was on the prior Thursday! Dude, NBC: Stop freakin' yanking our chains. Just get your damn shows made. Make sure they are 30 minutes long. . . and play them on a regular night. One of my favorite shows, Ed, just got cancelled. Largely, in my opinion, due to BS like this. Oh, and Scrubs is on Tuesdays now. H

Some people still think Simpsons is as good as it ever was. . . While others think that Simpsons used to be the best show EVAR. . . but has slipped over the last several years. I'm in the latter group. The tone and style of the humor is very different now than it was during the "golden era" of seasons 3-9. Homer is a caricature now, not a character. . . and please, for God's sake, knock off the freakin' guest stars appearing as themselves! The Simpsons, when it was in its prime, was one of the funniest shows I had ever seen. I was a huge Simpsons fan throughout college. I have friends who agree with me. . . and see a huge difference between a re-run they watch from six years ago. . . and a new one broadcast on Sunday night. I have others who claim they have no idea what we're talking about. Personally, I think the Simpsons is still on the air, and lauded as much as it is for the same reason Johnny Carson was on for so long. . . it's an institution. Doesn't mean it's still good, however. As for three shows that I think are funnier than the curren incarnation of The Simpsons: 1. Curb Your Enthusiasm 2. Scrubs 3. Simpsons Re-runs. Four times/day

I've got an LD player and the Definitive Collection of the OT. But, and this seems to be overlooked: Even the LDs look like #ss compared to DVD. On today's larger screen TVs, it is hardly better than VHS. There's also the problem of laser-rot. My LD of EpIV has gotten pretty bad. There is "static"/"sparklies" throughout several sides of the LDs. I agree about Lucas's "vision" being the reason he isn't (and won't) release the non-SE versions of the OT. But, here's the thing, some of us are of the opinion that his "vision" over the last decade or so has been horrible. And we therefore often express that opinion and request things for which his "vision" won't allow. His "vision"/ego bothers some people. . . and it doesn't bother others. That's been discussed before. So that's all I'll say about it here. . . lest this thread be locked too. H

Yeah, I was digging through my files the other day and found the license. I sold it to HG for a six-pack of bud and a packet of mini-Oreos. Sorry, I didn't know any better. H

You have ADV twice. But I think we can assume that you meant to say that ADV wanted us to think we would get Animeigo's work. H

Sorry. My bad. Did a quick look. Didn't do a search though cuz I figured it would bring up too much junk. H

Sorry if this has already been mentioned. . . I dropped by the RT forums this morning and saw this: Maybe this has already been discovered. But I for one am shocked that HG would re-invent the wheel again. . . poorly. . . when they already helped finance the Animeigo remaster of SDF Macross (didn't they?). Anyways. . . just plain odd. Not that I care much. I wouldn't have bought the Robotech Remastered DVDs. . . well, maybe just one. . . for nostalgia/curiosity purposes. H

Someone should do some detective work and find out the phone number of his mom (or other family). Nothing whips the average person into shape as quickly as having their mom told that they are a liar and a cheating thief. But, then again, maybe the personal problems have to do with him moving out of mommy's house. Who knows. . . Anyways, just a thought. Good luck guys. I hope this guy fries. . . even if he didn't intend to screw you guys (which I'm now convinced he did intend to do), it is absolutely ridiculous that he can't be bothered to spend five minutes on a friend's computer (or i-cafe!) to refund your money and/or give an explanation. H

I think this answers your question: If Yamato made them look like this out of the box, they'd easily cost serveral hundred dollars. H

I'll be getting them. Though probably not right away. Heck, I still don't have a Hikaru 1S! Skipped to the 1J. Holy crap! I'm missing the Max 1A too! I gotta get on the ball with more coming out now! H

Well, I can't in good conscience post what youwrote to me. But I can post how I responded: In response to you once again trying to say that I just didn't understand your (actually rather mundane) point, I addressed the substance of your question, and then said: Or, perhaps you meant this, in response to another rather condescending question from you, I said: Finally, I ended with: Hardly anything I would feel afraid to have the Moderators see. Yet you attempted to make it sound like I was hurling profanities and "personal insults." Nice try. I said nothing to be ashamed of. . . it is you who seems to (now repeatedly) take things to the gutter as soon as your arguments fall apart and you've got nowhere else to go. And, now, with the baiting, you're just acting like a troll. So, I'm done. There's no having a productive argument here anymore. . . because those on the other side realize that the only thing they can do is attack me personally. . . H

Yeah, I'd be quiet too if I were you. You're bordering on outright lying now. I know you're lying. You know I know. And you know I can prove it. H

Wee! What do I win!?! Uh, thanks? My girlfriend also thinks I'm a dickhead. But she loves me anyways. . . Thanks for the personal attack. It proves my point. H

Yeah, when those opinions are based on faulty information, bad logic, or other silliness. . . I'm going to point it out. Sue me. That's what arguments are. This thread started as a debate over whether they would re-release the Low-Viz. I've stated my position. Now, some people have taken issue with my position. . . and I have defended it. I fail to see why I need to stop defending my position. If I'm supposed to take a "let's agree to disagree" position, that's fine. But nobody has actually said anything that would lead to such a resolution. Rather, we have people obstinately entrenched on both sides. Yet, at least I address what the other side is saying. It comes down to this: The side that says that Low Vises will be released again says nonsense like: "All Valkyries are Limited Production" or "Yamato never said they wouldn't release more Low Vizes" or "There is no difference between releasing more Hikarus and releasing more Low-Vizes." Now, I address all those statements (and more). And if once, just once, one of you had actually directly addressed a counter-argument, I would have been happy to agree to disagree. But, nobody has. . . rather, you just start attacking me. It's pretty sad, actually. I type quite a bit. . . and the response is to ignore any points I've made, fail to address them at all, and just restate the same position. And now, failing to come up with any rational counter-arguments, you're all just personally bashing me. Bravo for you guys. You're all so easy-going and laid back! Bully for you! The thing is though. . . you only make me more sure that you've got nowhere to go in your argument. I'd be happy to agree to disagree. But nobody here has made a compelling case against anything I've said. And rather than try, you'd all just like to point and make fun of the guy who tried to give a good answer to this thread, and point out where other answers might be misleading and misinormed. Congratulations. H

Anyone who wants to see someone give up on their opinion thanks to Hurin, click his link. I tryed to PM Hurin and explain myself as to not bother anyone else with that discussion or be a drama queen, but he quickly degenerated to personal insults when he no longer was worried about moderators. but, you're right! Hurin is going to type novels about how idiotic everyone else is for living no matter what I say, so this will be my last post in reference to him on this matter. Oh. . . my dear God. . . not once have I gotten personal here. Yet I'm now being called a dickhead by some. . . and now you, DrClay, are just plain starting to make stuff up. DrClay. You have a faulty memory. I too suggest everyone go and read that thread. Especially the part where you "retract your argument." Funny, as you do so, you also disparage the average MW forum reader as being too stupid to understand your "deep thinking." Hardly the magnanimous gesture you make it out to be. Then, of course, you claim that I was doing the same. . . and when I point out that you're plainly mistaken. . . you give up. Ah, but then there's the PM you sent me where you still are trying to tell me that your idea is just too darn deep. . . and that I am incapable of grasping it. So, how did I respond. . . I told you that you're not as special as you think your are. . . nor is your idea. If that's getting personal. . . sorry. But you can't tell everyone that they're too dim to understand your rather simple idea and then expect people to just sit and stare. I'd be happy to post the PMs. . . but I'd never do so without your permission. But, at no point did I stoop to "personal insults" as you allege. Your characterization of our PMs borders on outright lying. H

LOL. I have yet to see anyone give up on theirs. . . I just am more verbose in not giving up on mine. I mean, even this late in the discussion, we still have people popping in with oddness such as the Low-Viz not being Limited "until Yamato SAYS they won't make more." You can't seriously expect me to leave that alone can you? I mean. . . LOOK AT IT!!!! And, once again, I must remind everyone that nobody is forcing you to read any of this. H

How did it not work? If you check the thread to which you are referring, I never said anything else! Of course, you leave out the part where you PMed me and continued to press your point. Everyone can have opinions. . . but if your opinion is crazy, ill-informed, or illogical, chances are I will express my opinion about your opinion. If you can't handle it, maybe discussion forums aren't for you. H

Yes, that would suffice.

Darn you Exo! I went back-and-forth on using an S or a Z. . . was having a brain-fart on it. Ever have one of those moments where even simple words don't look right even though you know they are spelled correctly? It's almost like Deja Vu. . . just an odd feeling. Now that you've posted, I have to leave it too. H

I only tend to repeat myself when someone says something contradictory to what I said, without addressing what I said or why it isn't persuasive. Example: Me: The moon is not made of cheeze. We have sent astronauts there and they confirmed that it is not made of cheeze. You: I still think the moon is made of cheeze. Me: Uh. . . what part of astronauts confirming that it is not made of cheeze do you not understand? You: Hmmm. Ya know, I still think it's possible that it's made of cheeze. After all, they only said that the part they walked on wasn't made of cheeze. So, "logically" other parts of it could be made of cheeze. Me: For God's sake! It's not made of cheeze!!! Look, there are a lot of people on these forums who confuse what they want with what has to happen. There are a lot of people on these forums who confuse their opinions for facts. There are a lot of people on these forums who assert their opinions without ever acknowledging that there might be an alternative view. And, there are a lot of people who substitute an opinion for an argument. I try not to do those things. . . and in trying not to do those things --yet still make a strong point-- I tend to write more than most. Sue me. I also don't believe that "economy" is always the most important aspect of writing. Sometimes, repitition is the only way some people learn. H

There is also the possibility that Keanu Reeves is an alien agent placed here by a species living on Mars. . . that doesn't mean I have to consider that possibility very long before discarding it as unlikely. But, congrats for defining the word "possible." SIGH. . . it's like talking to a wall. Look, they don't need to "SAY" they won't make more. They have already done so by printing "Limited" in big bold letters on the box. What more do you need? Do you really expect them to come out and say: "It's really, really limited. For Real. Accept it" because some people on an obscure English discussion board can't seem to understand what the word "Limited" means? Okay, one more time: When something is stated as being "Limited Edition/Production" they are stating clearly that they will not produce more of them after the initial allotment. That is "giving their word" or "promising" something. I'm not making assumptions. I'm going by what is written on the box of the toy. Whereas Hirohawa wants to ignore it or twist its meaning to the point where it has no meaning. But, if you want to call them "assumptions" and state that they are vulnerable, please feel free to point out their vulnerabilities. No, there is no great authority in the sky that can pronounce final judgement on either argument. . . and you seem to relish having an open-minded, "anyone can be corrrect here" attitude. So, I'm not exactly sure what your point is other than: "Possible is possible" and "Your arguments might be vulnerable." Oh, wait, here it is: If you consider them "level". . . more power to you. But I have a hard time understanding how you can claim things are "level" when you also say repeatedly that you consider a re-release unlikely. For things to be "level," wouldn't a lack of a re-release then also have to be "unlikely?" How can both be unlikely? And, therefore, how can things be "level?" Considering all of the above, I'll take that for what it's worth. Had to quote this one out of order or it wouldn't have made sense: Dude, people here raised hell when Yamato released more 1A Hikarus and 1S Fokers. . . which were never stated to be a "Limited Version." Heck, they actually complained even louder because they were improved version upon re-release. Never underestimate the self-interested nature of a collector who has already shelled out appreciable sums of money: All hell would break lose, especially among those who recently paid $200 for one, if the existing Low-Viz was re-released. And. . . again. . . Yamato's credibility for any future "Limited" releases would be severely damaged. H

I've always said that any company will do what is in their best interests. However, as I said above, it is my opinion that "keeping their word" about the Low Viz being limited is in their long-term best interests. . . financially and otherwise. Now, if they truly stood to make a huge profit that would outweigh the negative aspects of doing so (detailed above), I could see them just saying: "Awww screw it. . . we'll make more." While I consider it very unlikely, I consider that to be within the realm of possibility. What I don't go in for are all these word-games and reality-twisting people want to play with the words "Limited Production." If someone wants another one, fine. But let's not get all metaphysical about what was originally intended by the word "Limited." Let's not pretend that by putting that word on the box, Yamato wasn't trying to differentiate the Low Viz release from the other "unlimited" releases. But, I'm starting to (once again) repeat myself. H

My chronology is off a bit off then. . . my apologies. But, the larger point is still made. . . nobody can point to anything other than people saying it would be "cool" or it "should" be done. Yet that leads to people (in this case DrClay) saying that they have heard that it is going to be done. H

I love how everyone always thinks I'm so worked up just because I take a little time to actually make a cogent (at least to me), reasoned argument. . . rather than just stating my opinions. Yeah, cuz providing sources is such a terrible thing. . . I'm confused. Am I "worked up" or being cutesy? Are you coming on to me!?! Look, DrClay seems like a nice enough guy. But I wouldn't take everything you read as gospel. We're all fallible. He himself recently took part in a thread where people clearly said that there has been no announcement (official or otherwise) that Kawamori was planning on redesigning the VF-1 for Macross Zero. But, having apparently not read that, and having only engaged in the part of the thread debating whether a redesign should be done, he then pops into another thread and announces: "I heard Kawamori was going to redesign the VF-1... to look more continuity-y" I don't point this out to pick on DrClay. Rather, I do it only to point out that rumors get out of control fast. And some of us get tired of people hearing things, twisting it, spreading it as fact, and then months later we get to watch people get pissy when the "promises" don't come true. Yamato has been lambasted many times on these boards for not coming through on promises that they never even made. Incidentally, I think this addresses DrClay's concern above: It's threads like these where a few people announce their opinion that they think the Low Viz will be released. . . and then six months later we have people pissed and talking s--t about Yamato because they failed to deliver on their promise of more Low Vizes. Another good example? How about the "Yamato is definitely making an SDF-1" rumor. It really blossomed on the old boards, but we discuss it here. Graham said at one point that Yamato might consider making an SDF-1. Next thing you know, people are arguing scale. . . words are put into Graham's mouth. . . and a few months later, questions regarding it are answered with: "Graham says Yamato has one in the works and it will be x scale and DYRL style!" So again. . . if I'm being harsh, sorry. But it gets old watching people's opinions and desires evolve into scheduled releases on some fanciful Yamato release calendar. . . and then watch as people get all pissy when their dreams are dashed. People around here have a nasty tendency of wanting something so bad that they blind themselves to reason and logic. Hell, one guy (who shall remain nameless) got so incensed about the 1/60 line winding down that he dubbed all the people buying 1/48s in lieu of 1/60s as "unscrupulous" and declared that Yamato would sink rapidly into financial ruin if they were stupid enough to concentrate on and expand the 1/48 line. All this because he really likes 1/60 valkyries! To a lesser extent, I see the same sort of thinking here. Someone really wants them to make more 1/48 Low Viz. . . so they twist things around to the point where "Limited Production" loses all meaning. That way, in this now oddly-contorted universe, Yamato is free to produce as many "Limited Production" valkyries as they want. But we'll get to that in a bit. . . No, they aren't. Nor have they been for several months. If I had a nickel for every time a blatant rumor has been passed off as "common knowledge" around here! But, I acknowledge DrClay's recollection above of what Graham said, and it strikes me as being accurate. But, what DrClay relates above is substantively different from what you said originally: This implies that Yamato promised a limit of only four. Yet you now acknowledge that they did no such thing but were only saying that four was their initial, tentative plan. Again, I never had a problem believing that Yamato had only initially planned for four valks. Rather, I had a problem believing your initial characterization of what they said (promising, in essence, a "4 valk limit"). Oh no? See above. You did. Ah heck, here it is again: But again, if you now admit (which you apparently do) that they never had a concrete plan for four that they would have to publicly disavow in order to make more, your whole point about the "4 valk limit" sorta falls apart. . . doesn't it? Oh, wait, I guess not, cuz here you go again: Dude, I don't think there's any help for you. If you don't see any difference. . . it's because you want a Low Viz so much that you're blind to the difference. I'm not going to waste any more time trying to explain the difference to you. Odd. To me, it means "Limited Production." Synonyms are: "Limited Edition" "Collector's Edition" or "After this run, we're done! You snooze, you lose!" I think what you mean to say is: "In my fantasy world, all valkyries are limited production. . . and yet somehow that means that they will make more." Man, I guess I am going to try to explain this again. Lord help me: Look, when a company marks something as "Limited Edition/Production", they are artificially capping the supply on purpose to generate a collector's item and jack up demand. There is an implied promise to all the people who bought one that there will be no more production runs and that their initial investment will not depreciate due to more becoming available. All Valkyries are not openly branded as "Limited Production". . . so that is why Yamato felt free to make more VF-1S Roys and VF-1A Hikarus. Right now, Yamato is under absolutely no production restraints for any valk but the Low Viz. If they wanted to suddenly pump out more Max 1As, they could do so and nobody could blame them (though I don't doubt some MWer would find a way. . . that's our job!). But that cannot be said about the Low Viz because they plainly, loudly, and concretly said that this is a limited production item. So, to say that "all valks are limited production" is just silly. I realize you're trying to "think deeper" there. . . but you've hit the bottom of the pool and need to come up for air. I'm not sure how else I can explain it. . . and I'm totally at a loss to understand how that doesn't make sense to you. Dude, that's like saying: "I didn't really cheat on my wife if she doesn't find out." Are you seriously suggesting that Yamato just start minting more and keep it on the "down-low!?!" Yep, that's a great way to garner fan support: Outright deception. Plus, I think we'd all know what was up if suddenly HLJ had Low-Vizes on sale again. . . followed by every other retailer. That's just silly. . . moving on. . . Holy crap. . . I just had to go find a comic book to make sure that Superman hadn't turned into Bizarro. Seriously, has the earth broken out of its orbit and gone hurtling towards the sun?!? Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria! That is exactly what Limited Production means! What in God's name else could it realisticly mean?!? As already pointed out, there is a valid argument to be made for an occasional (truly) "Limited Production" item being good for Yamato's bottom line. Related to that point is the negative effect on sales that might take place for future "Limited Production" items should Yamato lose their credibility by making more Low Vizes. There have only been rumors. They were on the old boards. I think Graham chimed in once too, but I don't think he said it was a definitive number. But as I said, the old boards are not available. That would be cool. I don't like the Low Viz that much. . . but I'd probably pick one up. But, I actually doubt another 1/48 Low Viz is on the way. At least, not before the CF and others. It might happen and it might not. Your guess is as good as mine. Best Regards, H P.S. It's usually at this point in these debates that I feel compelled to point out that I type nearly 90wpm. So, you might think that this is a lot to have written. But, to me, it's like speaking. Edits: Typos