EganLoo

Maybe I should make it in more bold: VF-11D Custom Now...sure the lineart for the VF-11C atmospheric FAST packs says it is but you're using the wrong statement to prove a different point. I should also note that the Compendium still doesn't lists those atmospheric FAST packs... And that the VF-11D Custom uses a different style FAST pack than the VF-11C. Now as much as the lineart explains (and it does, that's a good find), you're using the wrong listing to prove it.... Actually, that is another error of the Macross Compendium. The VF-11D Custom does not have micro missile launchers on the engine-mounted FAST packs. There is no mention of them on the design sheets. There is however mention of them on the design sheets for the VF-11C Atmospheric FAST Packs (engine-mounted). What I was really trying to do was point out the fact that there was no info on the VF-11C's weapon bay [hatch] (Atmospheric FAST Packs) on the Macross Compendium's VF-11 Thunderbolt entry. Shoji Kawamori's mechanical designs and specifications specifically state that the VF-11D Custom's FAST Pack system has micro missile launching ports in the engine-nacelle-mounted FAST Pack pods. The VF-11C is not listed as having "weapon bays" by Shoji Kawamori. Shoji Kawamori makes a distinction of the "containers" (which FAST Pack systems all are be default) from the internal weapon bays. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_.../variable/vf11/

Shoji Kawamori's mechanical designs do not say "weapon bays," and specifically distinguishes the term "weapon bays" from the containers that the FAST Packs are. (It should be noted that the image shown above earlier mistranslated "hatch" as "bay" before being edited as seen now.) "Numerous optional weapons" are listed in the official specifications and in the Macross Compendium specifically for these FAST Pack pods, as excerpted above. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_.../variable/vf11/

Well, as noted on another thread, it's enough work maintaining accuracy and correctly separating the official from the unofficial material on one sanctioned site. It would be Herculean to do so for two sites, especially if the other site has not been maintaining accuracy and has not been correctly distinguishing what's official (if the posts in this forum are any indication). All that effort would be better spent just answering email.

The dialogue does not say it is a FAE weapon--the writers kept it vague so they wouldn't write themselves into a hole.

That's the wonderful thing about creating a fictional future--modern-day conventions need not apply. (After all, the Macross creators gave the VB-6 a Shuttle/Bomber mode--even though by conventional terms, it doesn't really "shuttle" or "bomb" anything.) By conventional terms, the bombs at the end of Macross Zero Vol. 4 *can't* be the historical "Daisy Cutter"--but it also *can't* be an FAE. It's too new to be the Vietnam War-era bomb that holds the "Daisy Cutter" nickname, but it's far too big to be a conventional FAE. (As the Federation of American Scientists notes, it's "difficult to make an FAE the size of [the historical] Daisy Cutter because the correct uniform mixture of agent with ambient air would be difficult to maintain if the agent were so widely dispersed.") The solution is simple: the Macross creators reused the nickname "Daisy Cutter" for an entirely new bomb (just like they reused the Valkyrie name itself from the Vietnam War-era experimental bomber for an entirely new vehicle) . They also did not call it FAE onscreen--intstead, they called it a generic class name. That frees them to give any sort of explanation later (e.g. the dispersed cloud was not fuel, the theoretical problems of large FAEs were resolved, or it was a gorgeous windless day on Mayan --but not have to invent the official explanation now while they're still busy keeping us happy with 30 minutes of glorious animation every half year.

Ever want to make a Macross staff veteran wince? Just mention two words ....

The above is not true. Not only has the name been published, it was used in the dialogue of Macross Zero Vol. 4 itself. http://www.anime.net/macross/production/an...ve_action/zero/ You misundestood me. I was talking about the original/class name of the ship which was remodelled which was the became Auerstädt. I know what the ship's name is. I got the legit DVD 2 days after its release. You're trying to hard to make me look bad. Try not to slip up. Actually, the original post was specifically referring to the name Auerstädt itself, not any previous name it had. Here, you can see for yourself: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...ndpost&p=154391 I was talking about published in print. Just so everyone is not mistaken on the subject: 1) The name Auerstädt *has* been published in print 2) It *has* been in the Macross Compendium since last year 3) It *was* used in the dialogue of Macross Zero Vol. 4 4) It is *not* inside info

EganLoo should be given the title of Thread Necromancer. I haven't been to this forum since March, so all things considered, a three-month wait might be worth the catching up on accurate information (and correcting misrepresentation).

That's quite true--if you take away the VF-X2 game-specific ratings (e.g. no uncorroborated comparisons with VA-3M and VB-6) and concentrate on the Macross 7 animation, the creators have given specific information. They do state that the VF-17 does surpass a fully loaded VF-11 and ranks with the Armored Valkyrie in Battroid mode.

Unfortunately, the question is not if there's the "official" way, but which "official" way. You can pop in Super Spacefortress Macross, Macross: A Future Chronicle, Macross Plus International Version, and so on, and hear several different ways Macross is pronounced in English. Fortunately, you don't have to worry about being too precise--I've heard English-speaking fans pronounce the name in all sorts of ways to the creators, and the creators usually understand what's being said.

The This Is Animation Special Macross Plus book does not state that the VF-4 has missiles on "underwing hardpoint/pylons." The change was not made "right after" 12-31-1999--I remember that date, because like most people, I was celebrating Y2K away from home and looking up to see if planes were falling from the skies. It was actually part of a three-year discussion with Shoji Kawamori, UNiT, Inc, and Bandai, who were working on Macross VF-X2 through 1999 (and a little bit after). VF-X2 didn't include the VF-4 Lightning III, but there was much hand-wringing about its use and weapon complement in 1997's Macross Digital Mission VF-X. More than a decade after Shoji Kawamori designed the VF-4's Fighter mode, he had not locked down the technical specifications for it. (He has some choice words for his forgotten child. Technical specifications, specifically those underwing missile pylons (which once again was not in the Macross Plus book), were part of that discussion as I worked to lock down the details from the creators.

There are three major roadblocks: 1. Separating the official from the unofficial For many, the official material is confusing enough already. That is why it's valuable to not mix the two. It doesn't help to claim something is written by Studio Nue when it is clearly written as not, or to claim something is official when it is clearly noted in print as unofficial. (Incidentally, there is a distinct difference between content that is "unofficial" or "parallel world" *within* the official Macross universe, and content that is unofficial in the real world, period. The VF-17 Nightmare's nickname "Stealth Valkyrie" is unofficial *within* the official Macross universe. Macross II is a parallel world *within* the official Macross universe. However, the Macross Attack Team's doujinshi is just unofficial in the real world, period. Is this confusing? That's just one more reason not to mix the two. 2. Permissions I've been given permission to create the Macross Compendium site, but not permission to work on other sites. Non-infringing content such as answering questions is fine -- and anything else that wouldn't rub the creators the wrong way (like adapting someone else's work without permission and then claiming a copyright notice would). After all, I would still like to chat with the creators from time to time. 3. Accuracy Maintaining accuracy on the Macross Compendium is work already, but maintaining accuracy on two very different sites is Herculean. This is especially true if the other site in question has not been maintaining accuracy and avoiding speculation to begin with. If the posts on this forum are any indication, it is going to take retranslations and rewriting, not mere polishing. I would love to work on unofficial fan speculation on my own free time -- but the Macross Compendium keeps me busy already.

Whoa.... this is interesting. I was mistaken about Tatsuto Nagayama I apologize. My misunderstanding. I would like to know which people, exactly make up Studio Nue besides Shoji Kawamori, Kazutaka Miyatake, Haruhiko Mikimoto, Kiyomi Tanaka and Masahiro Chiba.... LOL, I had a feeling this was bad information... Well, It was good information until Egan Loo took it off of his site sometime ago.... along with the MAT specs etc. I guess after discussing it with Kawamori is when he took it down. Tatsuto Nakyama's Development History of Battroid (Valkyrie Development History) was never on the Macross Compendium. You might be confusing some of the rare points that happen to coinicide in both Studio Nue's notes and Nakayama's version. Likewise, unofficial data by MAT was never listed as "good" official information in the Macross Compendium. In fact, the opposite is true. For example, a reader had wanted to know about information about two ships that had not been approved by Studio Nue. That information was specficially separated from the "good" official information, and demonstrated where it contradicted or differed from the official information. (Starting last year, reader questions about official and unofficial data are now answered in the Feedback section.)

Yep, there is nothing inherently wrong (and a lot that is fun and enjoyable) with unofficial ideas and fan speculation -- after all, Shoji Kawamori and Haruhiko Mikimoto used to draw and write unofficial Gundam doujinshi long before they worked on Macross (or official Gundam for that matter). The problem lies in stating inaccurate and unofficial speculation as official information, as well as in mixing the two without clearly defining which is which. Worse is using inaccurate or unofficial fan speculation to knock other people's work as inaccurate. Both only adds to the confusion instead of enriching the experience. (Knocking official information by citing fan speculation is strange enough. Knocking RPG and other fan sites as "inaccurate" speculation by citing, well, inaccurate speculation is even stranger.) In short, the key is distinguishing the official from the unofficial, as well as the accurate from the inaccurate. (And to not claim copyrights without permission, something even Kawamori and Mikimoto didn't do when they were speculating on Gundam in the good old pre-Macross days.

I like to note that I have given corrections to some recent posts in this forum only, not an entire website elsewhere. Correcting and explaining mistakes in an entire fan website would take even more time and work (time and work that is better and properly used on the Macross Compendium -- namely for answering email. I cannot vouch for the accuracy or officialness (for lack of a better word) of fan websites.

Shoji Kawamori does not say that the sub-air intake "vent overflow/jets operation" is "mainly used for Battroid aerial maneuvers together with the shuttered verniers." This is made-up speculation. In fact Shoji Kawamori specifically says that two cooling sub-air intake/airframe lift adjustment slits mainly operate in lieu of glove vanes (such as those found on the F-14 Tomcat) by controlling airflow. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...s/variable/vf1/ I guess it must be a mix of an animation error.... You're saying that one of the greatest Macross dogfight scenes has such a big error? You can see forced air coming out of the sub intakes. The error was not in the animation--the error was in interpreting the animation and assuming it means the sub-air intake is "mainly used for Battroid aerial maneuvers together with the shuttered verniers." As Shoji Kawamori noted, it isn't.

The above is not true. The creators do not say that the Auerstadt is "umbiquitious" or a "strong ally" or "strong alley"--in fact, the creators' own words are almost completely the opposite. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/anti_un/ships/auerstadt/ Hmmm what I that was the translation I got back from the DVD's liner notes. Then I would say that translation was bad.

The above is not true. Not only has the name been published, it was used in the dialogue of Macross Zero Vol. 4 itself. http://www.anime.net/macross/production/an...ve_action/zero/ You misundestood me. I was talking about the original/class name of the ship which was remodelled which was the became Auerstädt. I know what the ship's name is. I got the legit DVD 2 days after its release. You're trying to hard to make me look bad. Try not to slip up. Actually, the original post was specifically referring to the name Auerstädt itself, not any previous name it had. Here, you can see for yourself: http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...ndpost&p=154391

Actually, the effect that occurs in the Macross Attack Team's doujinshi entry does not occur as the conventional Monroe effect description above states. That's one of the issues.

I see. I read "Variable Machine" on the production design sheets.... they seemed to be the final sheets. Not the rough designs. So Studio Nue re-named this design after they did the final design on paper.... Edit: Are you sure? In the book Shoji Kawamori Macross Design Works, p. 72, it also says "Variable Machine" just like on the VF-X production staff design sheets.... : / That would be a while after Macross Digital Mission VF-X's release date. You are confusing the description of the vehicle -- "enemy variable machine for use in VF-X" -- with its finalized name. I met and interviewed the staff of Macross Digital Mission VF-X (UNiT, Inc. and Studio Nue) during and after its production. For better or worse, the Shoji Kawamori Macross Design Works book is a comprehensive record of his designs -- but not the perfect arbiter of what is official or preliminary. The editors compiled an impressive archive, but let some mistakes slip in -- such as the Miyatake's sole credit for the VE-1, VF-1J's infamous preliminary gunpod (although noted as such), the name "Stampeed Valkyrie," and "enemy variable machine for use in VF-X." (Yep, that's exactly what it sounds like -- the working design description until a name was coined.)

That entry is inaccurate. The VE-1 "Elintseeker" Battroid was drawn by Shoji Kawamori, based on a concept by Hideaki Anno. Hideaki Anno was a key animator in the Macross: Do You Remember Love?, and Shoji Kawamori drew the earlier VEFR-1 "Funny Chinese" design. http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/united_...s/variable/vf1/

But that's armor. What they want to know what it's actually made of... Fortunately, the VF-0's armor composition has been specifically described, and it's not hypercarbon. This will be in the next Compendium update.

"Meltohlauendy" is just as much a made-up fan spelling as "Meltohlauedy"--especially since there *is* an official spelling: Meltlandi.

Zentradi and Meltlandi are correct and official. Meltohlaeundy/Meltohlauendy is not correct or official.

It is not said in the Macross television series that Supervision ships are made from hypercarbon. While Do You Remember Love? does say that hypercarbon is one material used in the engine block of the Macross, it is not said that it is used in the armor of the VF-0 and other VFs. The above Dyna-Metal conjecture is not only unofficial, but also contradictory to Studio Nue's official story. OTEC, not "Dyna-Metal," is the company that analyzed and developed the new materials. The VF-0 posess SW-AG energy converting armor, but it is not said that similar technology in future variable fighters is also called SW-AG.