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Appears? He's even more whacked then the Mormons and the JW's combined.As a christian I see plot holes in my religon all the time, Scientology is frakking scary. -NOS Who remembers the Scientology knock-off in Bowfinger? Okay, if anyone read any of his "Mission: Earth" or battlefield earth, or Dianetics books, you already know the guy was a whackjob. Not the point. I again ask that you do not insult any religion. I have a JW close friend, and while I wonder how they could possibly lose the gold plates of God, I have always found Mormons to be polite and friendly people. Please- Do not insult any religion, even Atheism. Scientology or "Christian Science"? We should probably be nice to them, JIC one of them is here. When someone dies, then they will know if they were right or wrong in their choices. It is not for anyone here to argue.

Well, since you think this discussion is pointless, contrived, and without connection- Why did you bother replying? seems like that too is a waste of time. If you don't see the point of this discussion, then please, don't allow me to waste any more of your time by you reading it. I would hate to be a burden on you. Big Smiles! BIG Smiles! EDIT: Uhm- other than the fact that one of them is a frelling alien made to be a servant soldier by the same race that played god with our DNA? Or that their children (at least 2 of them, seems a very high rate, considering how rare it would have to be) seem to have supernatural powers- i.e. Spiritia? No- nothing like angels/watchers breeding with humans and having offspring who are legendary. Nothing at all...

Wow, LowVis... I don't think some people are ready for that much! Personally, I believe the Nephilim were/are real, and that most creatures of mythology are some offshoot or another of non-earthly entity crossbred with an earthly form- human or animal. But back to Macross! Taking all these things into account, and including conservative Christian views on One World Government, etc. it seems easy to understand how the Anti-UN developed. Conspiracy nuts, Religious zealots, and 3rd world countries would finally join to fight what they see as the fufillment of the Apocalypse. I think every conservative religious leader of any monotheistic faith on the planet would decry the whole thing as the work of Satan, eventually the government would have to start suppressing the rabble-rousers. Wormwood falls from the sky, the UN takes over tech and governments, proof of alien life would be official "PROOF" that there was no God, in fact- later it would be said that God did not make us in his own image: the Protoculture did. Heck, to be honest, I might join the Anti-UN. I am curious about how the Zentran factions joined. You would think they would be the antithesis of everything the Anti-UN stood for. EDIT: P.S. Yes, I know I am a quack!

Bean crock! We thank you for your opinion. But are more thankful that you were not specific.

Welcome aboard the thread, Zeus. (I'll have to let the greek god name go, lol) But please- I took the Fanboy remark in good humor. Let's avoid anyone getting irritated by idle comments. "Back off" is appreciated but unneccesary

Anyways- what brought it all to mind: The ProtoDEVLIN posess human/zentran bodies, eat SPIRITia. That struck me as classic demons. Basara sings, uses his SPIRITia, and is determined to move the "MOUNTAIN" (Faith of a mustard seed?) <Please ignore the obvious invid flower of life joke that can come up with that one.> The I started to look at the whole series, including what I was seeing in Zero, and it came together. So has SK or anyone else ever discussed the overtones?

Well, I think the point LovVis, et al is making is that the Greek Gods, Titans (which by the way is the exact same word in Genesis- was translated to giants in KJV) , are the Nephilim after all. Along with all the other false gods. Like the Bird Man?

Like I said- this not something to star a fight, and if any one is offended by this thread for religious reasons at ANY point, I simply ask that they not participate in it any further. I also ask that no one insult any one else's religion. But so far, besides calling us fanboys,lol, no one has complained. Except that damn dirty Crom. He didn't grant me revenge.

I'm not ashamed of it. (even though I have the girlfriend- she is more into Ranma :-P) BTW, last I heard, joining a BB about Macross would still qualify you as fanboys with too much time on their hands and no girlfriend.

I have always found it interesting that people use mythology as evidence that God, YHVH, aLLAH, WHAT HAVE YOU- doesn't exist. that all the myths of giants and dragons and magic were mere fanatsy. I see the same thing happening with sci-fi, VonDanniken, and the Greys. Pardon the phrase: "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." On the otherhand, I see low-vis is half a step ahead of me.

Now, before all of you get your panties in a bunch: I know some of these are stretched for connection. I am just wondering if any of the writers ever said what the sources of their inspiration were? I am not looking to argue about religion, to make people angry, or say that SK is a heretic or saint. I have seen things in the series/OVAs, from Zero to Plus to 7 that intrigued me. That is all....

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, --- PC 2872 Nine months after the emergence of Protodeviln, over 85% of life in the Protoculture is lost. Direct combat between the Protodeviln with their [army of] manipulated Protoculture people (Supervision Army) and the Zentradi. *** Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. --- PC 2870 A Protoculture survey ship stops temporarily on "Earth." By genetically reconstructing the native life, it plots the emergence of a sub-Protoculture adapted to the planetary enivronment, "Humankind," to prepare for future colonization. During its return to its home planet, the survey ship is destroyed by military ships opposed to the Stellar Republic. Records of Earth and Humankind are eventually lost. [PC 2900] *** Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; --- AD 2010 March Conclusion of Space [stellar] War I. Earth atmospheric purification operation begins. A total of several hundred thousand [to approximately one million] survivors confirmed in the Grand Cannons [i,] III and V, the Lunar surface's Apollo Base, and the space colony clusters [bunches]. *** Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. --- AD 2010 February The first stellar marriage between the Earth Human Maximilian Jenius and the Zentradi Milia Fallyna broadcasted. *** 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. --- PC 2500s The mass production of giant biological weapons for proxy warfare, "Zentradi," is begun. The "Zentradi" contribute greatly to the expansion of the Protoculture's sphere of influence.[PC 2600s] AD 2014 Guld Goa Bowman born on Earth. *** Rev 8:5-11 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.. --- AD 1999 July 17 18:15 Japan Standard Time Admidst a dispute between a faction advocating to destroy it by nuclear attack and factions advocating for no attack, the object named "EVA" (evangel, which means the Gospel of the Coming) enters the atmosphere above Burma. Due to the high temperatures and terrific shock waves, it reduces the summit of Mount Everest by nearly 1000 meters, destroys Moscow and Stockholm, and inflicts damage while passing over all parts of Europe. Furthermore, it travels over Iceland and Greenland, causes volcanoes to erupt in Canada, and falls onto the South Ataria Island at the southermost tip of the Ogasawara Islands above the Tropic of Cancer. *** Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. ---PC 2872 Protodeviln faction are completely sealed in special chambers through the efforts of Anima Spiritia. *** Gen 7:21-23 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. --- AD 2010 Feb 11 Boddole Main Fleet arrives within the Solar System. The Battle with Boddole Zer Main Fleet. Earth's annihilation. *** Gen 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. --- AD 2013 An inhabitable planet is discovered 11.7 light years from the Solar System in the Groombridge 1816 Star System. It is named "Eden" and colonization begins. *** Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 12:1-4 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. --- AD 2031 Birth of 7th child, Mylene Flare Jenius, to Maximilian and Milia Fallyna Jenius onboard the space carrier Red Moon in flight near the Eta Carina Nebula. *** Rev 17:4-6 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. --- AD 2040 March Macross City holds the 30th anniversary celebration of the end of Space War I. "The Sharon Apple Incident." *** Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. --- 2040 YF-19 Alpha One and YF-21 Omega One prototype competition is conducted at New Edwards Test Flight Center on Humankind's first colonized planet, Eden.

Hmm... What legend is that? Have any more information on this dude? He's in the Bible. Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites. (see Nephilim, Giants) His bed was made of basalt and was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. Deuteronomy 3:11 The Jewish legend is he held onto Noah's ark during the flood and Noah gave him food to eat...during that time...then when the waters went down..Og jumped ship so to speak and headed out on his own...They claim thats why David had giants during his days...! There are non-jewish references as well, but I have none of those handy at work.

Technically a giant human would be incredibly weak because our bodies are not designed to support such a massive frame. Everything in the Zentradi gene pool would have to strengthened almost to the point of them not being human. A common myth perpetuated by those who do not want us to believe in the old legends of giants. by that reasoning, the legendary King Og (yes, a real person!) who was 12-14' tall (depends on roman or egyptian measurement of cubit) would have been a cripple. And all of our legendary basketball players would be on the bench due to breaks. get real- the body will support itself.

Why would he apoligize? It was just a joke. I completely agree. Not only should he apologize for that segment, he should apologize for mentioning that perversion of Macross in the first place. IN FACT, HG should apologize for trying to market the original Macross, for keeping the cool toys out of the US, and for trying to shut every website they can down.... Conan is out of order, HG is out of order, this whole Post is out of order!!! P.S. For the humor-impaired, this post is made in jest.

Beyond a gratuitous "Huh? what the Sheol?"... I thought perhaps he had changed his anti-copy method is all (prob because the image is SO rare), and was hoping I was wrong (I was- drats<means no full image anywhere>). Apology accepted. Nanashi- I'm sure I and others will try to fill in the blanks on this image- not an issue if we post them-is it? EDIT:(FYI- I don't have a website, hate HG/Robotech for keeping my toys away, and haven't gamed in years. I have thanked him, despite any issues, and do read his translations, which I am thankful for) Just to clear any doubts as to why I was asking, I am obsessive- just like the rest of you fans What would I do with them? Print them and put them in my binders, same as all the other Macross images I have collected

Was the original image in 4 parts, or is this another form of protecting your scans? Ghost it or something, so we can at least make out the details. Perhaps a repeating pattern in red and green of Nananshi, that wouldn't interfere with the view, but still mark your territory?

Sunflower seeds, placed in a pressure cooker.

Darn! I was gonna do Punisher as a SDP-1! But yours looks better than I would have bothered- kudos Drew.

Of course- all these Heroes need a Villain. And so why not have them face the most dangerous "bad guy" in the VF that scares UN SPACY- the Pheyos! (Feios-Enemy Valkyrie-whatever) (obviously- I have a biased opinion! But Wizard Magazine agrees with me... )

OKay- I refuse to spend more than 10 minutes each on these- as a matter of principle. But- as requested... PS- I think the gold WW idea may have come from the TV show (am I wrong?) EDIT: some weird thing caused the pale blue face and hands to turn dark when I posted... prob bcause I built it in MAC RGB (didn't know there was a difference???)

SuperValkyrie. Superman. Super waste of time, lol

Yes- its wrong! The next thing you know they'll be people making theses things as actual color schemes, putting REAL effort into them. "Dudes, check out the Bat-Valk" "Yeah- well here's my Super-Valk!" Crap- too obvious... gotta do it now.

Best answer I've heard.

Yeppers- And I almost did a vf-17 as Hawkeye, and a vf-11 Jamming Bird as Scarlet Witch, and a QF-11 as Vision. But I ran out of lunch.