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As much as I love them and would want one for my collection I'm probably gonna pass on the cyclones. At this point I'm just not gonna take anymore chances.

ok, get back to the issue at hand! 2 seater 1/48s!

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OMG tht looks sweet... I'll let someone else merge this to the other thread so we can gander at these beauty on the first page.

you know I forgot I could do that... 425934[/snapback] Moron. Some moderator you are! 426218[/snapback] just for that... for you it'll be 2 billion dollars! And limited to one! MWUAHAHAHA!!!

you know I forgot I could do that...

Yup, 1/48 FANRACER. Me too. It's in between a toy and a kit. This will be competely built as a toy. It will. It will. I'm shy. Yup. Don't know. 1 billion dollars.... I'll have more to show in a few days. 425919[/snapback] what's the deal with this. I thought we agreed not to show anything until it's done? now we're taking questions?

Where's Voltes V?

Well, here's the thing, I'm sitting here playing with one on my desk and I still can't understand where your problem is with the swing bar. It's locked in place in battloid mode without any bumps or whatever so is the problem for you in one of the other modes? Are you sure you didn't hold a Banpresto? On those I could totally see what you're talking about (I also have one of those on my desk) and yes, in battloid mode the swingarms do slop about on Banprestos. 424936[/snapback] Oh... well. I guess I aint missing out much on how uncrappy the one you got is because I'm here at my desk looking at my 1/48.

Were I directing my statements at a specific person, I would have the balls to say their name or quote them directly, like this 424912[/snapback] Well I admitted to mistaking you with someone with no balls.

I really fail to see any problem with the swing bar and am mystified why it causes you such heartache. I assure you, in battloid it's quite locked in place. You're arguing for something that would make the front of the toy uglier without there being any real need for it (the very essence of poor engineering). A more legitimate complaint would by to wonder why they didn't include some mode of fixing mechanism to the top of the intakes to the bottom the of the plane. I have to imagine they felt it'd make the toy more poseable in GERWALK to omit them. 424850[/snapback] what is that? You decide what's a legitimate complaint and what isn't? A little tiny dimple wouldn't make a difference appearance wise but would makea world of difference IMO. The ones I looked at needed it badly. fair enough... I just thought it was funny that your response came directly after my post.

I could see where you felt that I was making that statement about you but I really wasn't. It just seems, in general, that a lot of people expressing dislike of this valk, both here and on other boards, are holding it to an unrealistically high expectation as if they were going to receive a miniaturized 1/48. If people started by expecting a larger, better looking, more sturdy Banpresto for only slightly more than the Banprestos then their reaction would likely be one of far greater enthusiasm. Maybe if they were starting from the viewpoint of the 1/60s they'd also be happy, the legs on my 1/60 always come off when I transform it I'm left to wonder if you feel any 1/100 scale toy could be made that you didn't find crappy. In that small of a scale certain compromises need to be made. Proportions will get thrown off to accomodate the parts used for transformation. The price point would necessitate a "snap together" construction. Snap together construction allows pull-apart deconstruction and from what I can tell it's pretty limited on these little guys and it never happens when they're in one mode or another, only during transformation if you're trying to fly through it. 424817[/snapback] even the 1/60s are not miniature 1/48s. So I wouldn't expect it from something 1/100s... but engineering excuses? How hard would it be to put a small rounded peg on the swing bar, just like the 1/55s and it doesn't even have to be spring loaded, just a small dimple that goes into the fuselage. That doesn't require the greatest engineers in the world but would have added haf an hour into production costs. If they cut corners to save proportions then where did the money they save go? Cuz the proportions certainly arent there as I already stated.

ok, again why do you insist that my opinion is based off it's comparison to the 1/48? As I said... again... over and over... you can't defend this toy on its own without comparing it to how defenseless it is to the 1/48? If so then you're just strengthening my point. As I said, $20 for this toy isn't cheap. It's a lot more affordable than *that other toy* but for $20 I'd at least expect it to come with FPs. Oh wow... I got a stand so maybe it's a deal after all. But ooops... the stand broke, but that's OK... the box is nice. I need to get one of these in my hands again to remind myself of the disspointment I had when I handled it the past times. But from what I remember the thing came apart during transformation. Ther couldnt bother to secure the legs in battroid mode as the swing bars just comes to a stop so a little mispositioning would make the upper body fall back. Not to mention that with the proportions all wrong (small legs, huge shoulders) it's probably my personal opinion but a strong one at that that it's an ugly valk. All that for $20. I can look at it further if you need me to. I can also go thru all the 1/72 and 1/60 valks Yamato toys if it'll make you guys happy. The point is, again... I dont like crappy toys. Silly me, but that's just the way I am.

It's funny how when you criticize Toynami, Toynami fanboys (that won't admit they are) goes directly to Yamato QC issues. I for one criticize Yamato QC issues too. But retorts like that tell me that the toy can't stand up on its own without finding faults from other lines. I was ready to buy the first of these toys but fortunately I got to look at one before I spent my money... I could say it again and again and you guys would skip right over that fact because its your best defense. I've bought my fair share of Toynami toys too, so how biased is it when I'm critizising toys that I spent good money on? And yes I'm a fanboy... that's why I'm in these forums and why I keep hoping something good would come out for me to waste my money on. The fact is, my opinion is a negative one. And negativity is probably going to get some harsh opposition... but biased? I dont think so.

So what you're saying is that this is the best toynami can do... lol... I guess that's why I dislike them.

not macross, not anime, not anything interesting.

It's probably good that they would come out slower. It'll be at a manageable pace for us.

that's my whole point too... maybe it's my mistake that I said I'll stick with the 1/48s when what I really meant was "no thank you" to this toy. I'm not against the idea of getting 1/100s low priced valks but after handling it I thoght my money would be better well spent somewhere else. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad other people are getting what they want. I wasn't even going to post that conversation between me and Godzilla, but I took NB4M's post as an invitation because I thought it was amusing. When people quote me taking offense, then that's when the whole debate got started. I can make a list of gripes based solely on this toy and why it's not worth it. If people are on the fence about wehter or not they should get it, then I'd be happy to do it, but until then I'll leave you guys to your Toynami love fest.

dudee....2 negatives make a positive 423750[/snapback] then that means 2 positives make a negative, as in.... yeah right...

sorry, wrong again... I said I was at nightmare's house when he opened his... I've also stated that I handled the AX con version before. In fact I handled it again at SDCC when numerous friends bought one after another. I probably handled more of these than you care to know about. It wouldn't be a flame war if one wasn't so insulted so easily, enough to make up stuff in the vested interest of defending his opinion.

Why would ADV be the last resort? ADV has first refusal rights for HG stuff.

thanks for making my point jenius... you say you don't like "belittling" opinions but at the same time think that an opposing view is silly. An amusing thing was said... that was all... quit making an issue of it. And it was posted after someone else made an amusing remark... No need to get butt hurt over your little toy, buy more if it'll make you feel better.

So then the only Valks you'll collect from now on will have to be at least as good as the 1/48s? We're talking a 1/100 scale toy that you can throw away if it breaks... why would anyone ever bother to equate, relate, or compare the two? I don't mind the people who say it's their preference to only collect the very best example of the valk to date (the 1/48 at the moment) but don't start implying other people are stupid for not being elitists. Why would you buy a Saturn if you own a Ferrari? Maybe because you just love racing and you don't always feel like competing in the same race every day... or maybe you like owning a car that can get door dings at the grocery store without costing you an arm and a leg... or maybe you want a car with better gas mileage... or maybe you want a car that you don't have to worry about being stolen... or maybe.... The rubber connection on the stand does appear to be weak. I'm not using the stand myself but it does seem to be pretty flimsy. Maybe someone can come up with an easy household variety fix. 423643[/snapback] the answer is yes. And the whole thing about the ferrari was a joke, and even then a ferrari owner would never get a saturn... I'd downgrade to a 1/55 (mercedes benz) if anything. You act like people shouldn't express they're opinion if they disagree with you but you're doing the exact same thing by being offended and making it seem like people that think otherwise shouldnt speak up. I don't believe in throw away toys. I might as well throw away money right into the garbage. And yes... you're right. These are throw away toys. There, we agree.

Wow... you really are Danny's replacement! haha.

heehee... I know that was directed at me because I was at NB4Ms house when he was checking these out. But it seems that the following posts speak for me. But here's a conversation between me and Godzilla earlier: