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I'm gonna skip those destroids unless they're not much more than the regular ones. I'm not that impressed.

I totally agree with Macrossman. But disagree with the end results and I think he refuses to see what the end results were. It started out with the whole spamming thing but there was a lot more after that that maybe he was unaware of. But this is where we're at because of both parties... I don't really see the point of arguing it anymore than this so this is where we lock it. I'm glad both sides are argued on this thread but this is the point where the horse died and we're still beating it.

Thanks Jeremy007, at least someone understood what I was trying to say. The fact that he forwarded my PM wasn't the decision making instance, but it did help me realize that he was never going to take warnings. The more he got in trouble the more he used it to make a big deal about himself. It seemed like he was innocet, but everytime he posted he started it with a "I don't want to get banned for posting..." which made people feel bad for him and then the thread would get derailed about how evil the mods were. It was highly disruptive. The mods here don't care if the member's liked them or not. We're not here to make friends as mods. That can be easily done as a member. If you guys are not talking about mods and how evil they are then all is good. It's that type of job that don't get appreciated. If things are smooth then we're doing a good job. Unfortunately this thread spawned out because there was a disruptive nature. Spamming and post whoring was only part of it but there was enough of the other stuff that warranted the end result. And no, Ryan can't save Ryan anymore. He had his chance, we're dealing with what came after.

I just want to reiterate what has been said. Ryan wasn't banned because of the post whoring/spamming. It was because he continually broke other rules such as multiple accounts and continually ignoring the moderators of this site's private warning. And he denied the private warnings and played it like he was being persecuted publicly to make the mods look bad. So it's not like he wasn't given multiple chances. I even had a thread of PMs with him and I carefully spelled out what kind of thin ice he was walking on. He tells me he understands and promises to be good, but then continually does moronic things. I met Ryan at MWCon, and yes he was a nice guy. But he's totally disruptive. Again, his banning is not given to him on his first strike... he was given MULTIPLE CHANCES. And yes the mod's actions are inconsistent, but that's because we take banning as something serious, if it's an obvious troll then it's easy, but if it's someone that is a genuine member that has caused a ruckus, then it's not as easy. We actually take time to decide what the final action will be. And another thing, a permaban is a permaban. We allowed one member to come back, but don't press your luck... once it's decided you're gone... you're most likely to stay gone. But banning someone is the last option so the members don't have to worry about walking on eggshells. On a personal note... the first time I spoke to ryan about the matter, I told him that what we were talking about was off the records and I didn't want him to tell anyone what I was telling him. And the asswipe forwarded my PM via BCC to his buddies, but the idiot hit reply to me instead of forwarding... right there and then I knew that he had total disregard for rules or what anyone thinks. I'm sure he's enjoying reading this thread but that's pretty much all he's going to get to do.

Here's my post in the mod section about the subject: I was probably the one guy that stood up for ryno when all this started. I agreed with the staff when they decided to send him warning about post whoring. I thought it was going to be a slap on the wrist and never thought that permaban was even an option. But ever since the issue was raised I tried to calm the situation but Ryan kept fanning the flames even after I warned him about how the staff felt. I go away for a few days and there's new drama concerning multiple memberships. I now think that ryan is big hubbub over him and stepped over the line multiple times to keep it going. It's not about spamming the boards anymore but its about a bigger disruption all together. It's drama in the forums and drama in the mod section that really isn't worth it. I feel like the staff is leaving it up to me whether its temp or permaban... I'm choosing permaban and I'll take full responsibility over the decision. Thanks!