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Ok, So uhh, does anyone want to make me a copy of the DVD and mail it to me? Not the FX version (dont want bootleg crap) and not the R2 (cus I own it), but the re-done disc with the good subtitles. Or put up the ISO on a server so I can DL it? I'll make a .torrent of it and seed it as soon as I get my hands on it.

RAAAAWR! gjklhdgjldfghjkd Don't remind me of that horror. M7 belongs in the same pile of rancid horse feces that Macross II got tossed in years back. BOMBA!

Just wanted to add some things. - I own the R2 Macross Movie disc. DVDDecrypter says the disc clocks in at around 7GB, which would mean its Dual-Layer. I don't much much about the BOOTLEG FX version or whatever you guys are talking about, but if that version is Dual Layer, then in theory it has identical video quality to the R2 disc, provided it was ripped from the R2 and didnt have any extra junk added onto the disc that would take up space. - Provided this script or whatever syncs up during the actual film and not during other screens (like a Dolby Digital short before the movie, for instance), then it should work fine with the R2 Video. - I don't see any reason why someone shouldn't make a torrent of a completed ISO of this. There is no difference in paying Valkyrie Exchange (or anyone else) money for what is basically a bootleg copy. The buyer (and the seller) are stealing from Big West/whatever just as much as you would be if you just downloaded it for free and burned it, or paid someone money for the blank media + postage. Just my two cents.

Yeah, so much for your "expertly veiled" insult. Me? I was okay with the ending; it just needed more closure. Wrong. What I am saying is, don't praise it is just because it's a new Macross series. I know a lot of people, Macross fans in particular, who went on and on about how great Zero was and how great it was going to be before it even came out... wow, such high praise coming after seeing a 1 minute preview clip with like very little footage of the show. Then it comes out and its anything BUT great. I believe much of the hoopla was simply based on the fact that the "Macross" name was attached to it. Such a poorly done show, but really really awesome aerial combat sequences. Too bad the story is laughable and an insult to the TV series. (tori no hito? ughh) Kawamori seems to be doing his best impression of George Lucas when it comes to sequels... Maybe it's time to let Tomino take a crack at it? lol

yet ANOTHER reason why the show belongs in the alternate universe with Macross II. Such blasphemy should not be tolerated. Milia would NEVER let anyone, let alone that foolio, next to her Valkyrie, let alone IN it. Milia the Mayor... ppsh!

Wow, so much intelligent debate on what is essentially a lame-ass series with a equally lame-ass ending. Sorry kids, I just finished watching the last episode of Zero, and man, does it ever suck the big one... I hate a lot of things about Zero. - the animation - the music - the characters - the storyline (please, PLEASE stop ruining the story with idiocy like this and M7) - all of the stupid fantasy/downright ridiculous elements - introducing characters who are left as loose threads (because its a prequel.. and if they DONT die.. its like wtf. same thing that annoyed me about Gundam 08th Ms Team) I'll sum up my thoughts with what my friend felt was the most amusing part of my "Macross Zero sucks" chat rant with him: [19:03] kazuo: oh my gawd [19:03] kazuo: its getting worse [19:03] kazuo: now the native peoples have like telekinetic powers or some poo [19:03] kazuo: and they can pull a great gazoo and float next to you in spirit form and talk to you [19:03] kazuo: this is queer [19:03] kazuo: this isnt Macross [19:03] kazuo: wtf When, oh when will there be a Macross series worth watching? This is worse than Gundam sequels!! And, finally: [19:10] kazuo: oh wait [19:10] kazuo: WAIT [19:10] kazuo: possible saving grace [19:10] kazuo: its a MONSTER [19:10] kazuo: !!!!11oneone! And I think it has... hannou heiki!!! [19:14] kazuo: yaaay! REACTION WEAPON ASSAULT! +1,000,000,000 pts!!!! [19:14] kazuo: But that still leaves zero with -84357974305435839709374 points, which means it licks balls. Say whatever you want. Don't let your fanboy-ish tendencies blind you to the fact that this show is terrible. I love Macross just as much as the other guy, but this show should be relegated to the trash hea--er, alternate universe that Macross II resides in (and M7 SHOULD reside in) peace out

I also love the SV-51. Super hot design, best Valkyrie next to the YF-19. It just looks SUPER DOPE, and the custom paint is hot... although the head does look like the "Space Pope," lol. It's a cool fartin' Valkyrie. Too bad Zero sucked.

I would also have to steer you towards Central Anime. Back in the VHS days, they were the poo.. assuming you could get their tapes. I believe they are just using Dana Weaver's scripts (and using his subtitle format as well; I could be wrong, I haven't downloaded any of their digisubs to look). Also, to the poster who said M7 was worth it just for Gamlin & Milia.. well, Gamlin is a putz, and Milia's portrayal in 7 is one of the reasons I dislike the show so much. Milia the Mayor... ppsh PS - Why waste money on the bootleg DVDs? The subtitles are very poor, and you can get great quality digisubs from Central off the net.. FOR FREE. If you want DVDs that bad, burn the Central digisubs to DVD. FOR FREE. PPS - The "poo"? LOL nice censor filters.. why not just put [censored]?

No, it really does suck that bad. Really. Just download it if you truly wish to experience the horror. The bootleg subtitles are probably atrocious and will make the show even worse... PS. - The shot is from the episode where they are making a Minmay movie (for TV I think) and they get Mylene to play Minmei, and they're re-enacting some of the stuff from Space War I.

Guys, I TiVo Conan every night. It should be on my TiVo. I'll find it and capture it! Post it up sometime tomorrow. I feel kinda sick right now. Also someone needs to host it cus my provider will kick my ass if I try and host it.. Pierre = the crap And to the guy that said Conan isn't any good now.. well, you suck. Sorry.

Ugh. NCS does not sell pirated toys. All of their stuff is imported from Japan. NCS is selling the 19's for so cheap since they have way too many, and there is no way they will move the stock at full price. They are trying to free up warehouse space for more profitable product that will actually sell (eg. games & related hardware) The YAMATO Max type Valk they sold was sold so cheaply cus the rudders or whatever broke off. I'm guessing they took it out and messed around with it when they first got it but it broke cus YAMATO stuff is crap. Anyway NCS is totally legit, so please stop making assumptions. Thanks.

Yea uhh.. put me in the category of "one of the two guys that doesn't like Macross Zero." The whole series just does nothing for me. Bad character design, poor artwork, bad music (what were they thinking? Where's Yoko Kanno? I'm spoiled), insipid storyline (And what was that about the Alien thingy having the same "DNA" as the ASS-1? ASS-1 = Macross = INORGANIC. I'm guessing bad translation on that one, or I'm just dumb and I misread it). There's simply nothing compelling or interesting about this story. It just seems like another average animation series released to make money off Macross. If they had just stuck to making a simple story about the Anti-Unification Wars, it would have been 1,000,000 times better. The only positive points are the CG battles and the awesome cameo appearance of Chikyuu Shoujyo ARJUNA on the TV (its the program the people on the island were watching) And you know when thats all you have going for you that something is amiss. Throw it in the pile with Macross II and 7... sigh. (oh, and for what its worth, its probably a PROTODEVILN! HAAHAHAHA How lame.)

Ya, well, a boot is a boot is a boot, regardless of whether or not there are legitimate alternatives. Besides, he's not adverstiing where to get them, merely cataloging them because they have wonderful box art (which they do -- better than the AnimEigo release by far). I'd love to have a poster of the first boxset cover that I posted.. wow. Great frakkin' artwork. I've also seen different Macross 7 sets than the ones on the video section... they have good boxart as well. And just because I'm so biased for R2 cover art.... (I know they're small but they dont have fullsize images) Macross DVD artwork... HAL! Gasp. Even the M7 covers make the show look good... :/

I was perusing the Video section or whatever, where the various versions of Macross on VHS/DVD/VCD are posted... I noticed there aren't any of the HK sets posted despite the fact that some of them have beautiful box art (like some of the Macross box sets). Also I noticed Mecha Graffiti isn't in the VHS section. I can scan the cover if need be. I know there's probably too many versions of the bootlegs, but it'd be nice to see the various covers. I'd be more than willing to submit what I've found around. Examples. THIS is the one I love (and the way I'd like to see the animation designs for a new Macross series look ) These are cooltoo but not as cool as the above.

Good guess. They can't use Region 2 source as it is not a part of the licensing agreement. They would need to get the rights to that seperately. Not that they would if they could, or even attempt to... Mangle is a shitty company.

Yes, all of Mangle's discs suck... that is why I do not buy them. Money talks... Anyway, the R2 of Macross Plus Movie is leaps and bounds over the R1 disc. Also doesn't have the shitty "5.1" mix, which is really just the stereo mix with an echo.... how lame. Also has a better bitrate and no hardsubs... but also has no english subtitles in general. The box art is also wonderful. Are you sure that the image your friend gave you isn't downsampled? Because the disc is a DVD9 so if it was an image on your HDD it should be like 6-8GB.... downsampling and re-encoding of the video will result in a decrease in video quality... as well as the sound... The Macross Plus R2 set comes in two seperate boxes (one ep per disc IIRC). Video quality is supposed to be better but still only has a stereo mix for Japanese dialogue. Also much MUCH better box art (as per usual). No english subs but has the English 5.1 channel mix. Macross II is very good as far as the video goes. Nice box art too. No subtitles. Comes as seperate OVAs and not a stupid combined "Movie" version. None of the Hong Kong bootlegs are direct copies of the Japanese discs because the Japanese discs are DVD9. The FlashBack disc MIGHT be a DVD5 but I am too lazy to put it in and check. I personally own the R2 of FlashBack, as well as the Macross Movie (Summer '84). I also have the R2 of the 20th Anniversary Disc. I'm planning on purchasing the R2 versions of Macross Plus but I'm being lazy But all in all, if you want the best quality you have to get the R2s... the R1s suck, and the Hong Kong discs are downsampled... Let me know if you have any other questions. EDIT: In case you're curious about the box art... it's like night and day Macross Plus Movie art Macross Plus BOX 1 Macross Plus BOX 2

No, because the AnimEigo box art is junk... I was thinking of doing the same thing to be honest with you. I might be able to get a friend to buy the R2 discs on the cheap... but I'm too lazy. Don't wanna put forth the effort required for it. The box art for the Hong Kong Macross set looks GREAT... wow. Thats the character design style I want to see in actual animation.

I wasn't thinking about that when I mentioned MS Gundam, I was leaning more towards One Year War, eg the Earth Federation vs Zion... because the Zionist movement was about separating themselves from the Earth Federation (until the Zabi family hijacked it and made it about Spacenoid superiority). AEUG vs the Titans was more about the Federation essentially allowing a gang of thugs to throw their weight around and effectively "crush" any kind of opposition, and free speech as a whole, and that even includes non-Zionist movements (eg. The Titans gassed an entire colony that was protesting Earth Federation policy... now if that isn't just totally fraked up, I don't know what is).... the Titans were originally formed to hunt down and destroy what was left of Zion after Operation Stardust. But you get the idea. This is the next logical step for Macross to go in since it makes sense... But I was also thinking about the Supervision army, or another Zentradi fleet (it has been said there were fleets bigger than Bodolzaa's running around), but clearly the seperatist plot is more interesting (always has been!) It could go either way though.. its all in the execution. Discuss!

What I want out of a Macross sequel... OVA. No TV series. I don't want production values going to crap (like M7). I want it to be serious. (Unlike M7) I don't ever want to see Hikaru/Misa/Minmei ever again (because its just wrong... leave them in peace, don't bastardize them like you did Max and Milia) Write off M7. Entirely. Forget it ever happen, relegate it to red-headed-stepchild status like Macross II... I want HAL doing character design. And I want to see his style implemented in the animation. No MASAYUKI pointy noses (even tho I kind of like it), no junky M7 style big googly eyed anime hoo-ha, I want HAL's designs in action... Macross II I felt, despite the fact that it sucked, easily had the best character art in the animation. Yoko Kanno and Hajime Mizoguchi doing music. As if you ever needed to ask. I did like the idea of Max being the Captain of a ship though... it seems to suit his personailty. It could also work as a sub-plot about how he's dealing with the fact that he can't fly anymore. Milia leading her own squadron with her VF-1 souped up... Milia lose her VF-1. What kind of crap is that. "Mayor Milia"... what kind of crap is that? (As you can tell, I have a frothing dislike for M7) And, as much as I hate to say it... for the plot, MS Gundam is the source to look to. Once you start getting into colonization, with far-off "oppressive" governments trying to tell you what to do... civil wars are bound to pop up. Now I'm not talking "One Year War" scale where we have psychos dropping colonies on Earth, but... the insurgency should get bad enough that the UN Government is threatened, and some bad crap should happen, but... nothing major. It should be more about the characters and about their lives than it should about battles or anything like that. And of course we need a musical element... I'm leaning towards Mylene, since I actually like her music... they should just apply the good ole "I-wanna-be-like-Minmei" treatment and get Kajiura Chie to do the music... god damn I love her voice. Anyway, thats my idea. Feel free to disagree.

It's "Milia." I'm not touching "Minmei/Minmay" even though I lean towards Minmei for obvious reasons (She's Chinese)... The obvious stuff people already pointed out. Japanese have no "L" sound (its a funny "rolled" L/R thing), Kanji is the Chinese chatacter system, not a dialect or speech, yes Japanese have different dialects andshit (Kansai-ben and Oki-talk come to mind ), and so on and so on. Egan Loo says its "Milia" and I can live with that. Also you can never go by the Japanese nd what they put on their products because even they are inconsistent as hell... for example especially with MS Gundam products, you see Zion, Jeon, Jion, and now we have Zeon since it has been determined that it is the official pronounciation of the seperatist movement. Shrugh. It's "Milia."

Wow. 1) http://www.animesuki.com/ Download Macross Zero for free there. 2) Macross Zero will be coming out on Region 1 DVD. It's just a matter of the time. Harmony Gold's whining will have little or no effect on the show being licensed. The Summer '84 movie ever being released in Region 1 is the only one you can even suggest will "never" come out here. There are already several companies who have extended offers for Zero. 3) All of the Hong King discs are trash. Period. End of story. They should not be purchased because the subtitles are generally terrible, or in worst case scenarios, ripped from fansubs (like Initial D -- this is why Central Anime doesnt release scripts anymore), the video quality is not that good (as the bitrate is lowered to compensate for the fact that its a DVD-5) and the same applies for th audio. I've heard they're starting to use DVD-9 but either way I'm not spending my money on their junk. 4) If you want to see Zero with good subtitles, download it from the 'net. For the guy who was complaining about wanting it in surround sound and on his TV, well, the bootleg discs have shitty audio quality, and the digisubs I have feature 5.1 audio and legible, readable subtitles... hmm. That's a toughie. You do the math.