Mercurial Morpheus

I'd post some pics of my Max, but I'm sure no one's interested in it the way this thread is going (I'm not a cute, crossdressing Japanese girl). ;;

Here I though american fans were f-ing crazy. Most of the cast is interesting. A lot remind me of SDF Macross characters. So far I'm liking Alto, Michel, Ozma, Ranka and Sheryl. I get a kick out of Nanase, Cathy, and Klan. They all have a long way to go in development though. 10 episodes in, and we're still mostly on characatures.

Everytime someone cracks this joke, a little part of me dies inside. I've been meaning to say that this post made my day back when I first read it.

Never heard that before. That explains why the music was so different from the movie version when i watch 4 the other night. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I ever saw the whole OAV subbed. the music is way better in the sub. Especially for the whole "truth is revealed" sequence. The dubs not bad. I liked it back in the day, but vastly prefer the sub. Though it suffers from the usual shoddy mixing and atrocious use of WordFit "Why are...You doing this?". The worse thing about it was the altering of Myung's line about wanting to kill Isamu in part 4. I never understood Sharon's motives until I saw it in Japanese. At least it wasn't, "To Be in Love". Anyone seen This is Otakudom? "Wanna see my Minmay impression?" "Oh dear God, No!" "......I'll take that as a yes."

I've been a registered member there since early 2004. Even apparently started the linked thread on DYRL? So I've been on a lot longer than you have (assuming you use the same name there). Though you know it way better than I do, as I don't post there much. I've been trying to cut back on forums for some time, and ASuki never really meshed well with me. After the debates on Interlude, I'd sort of had my fill. The intelligent posters are a bit too hardcore, and the one's that aren't don't offer much. Heck, their Macross forum has more detailed discussions on this show than we do. A bit too structured for my tastes with polls and thread rules and all that jazz. I'm not sure I can really have the time for a place that has mods start topics for discussion. The only forums I know that's crazier is AOD (new post every 0.3 seconds !!!!), and maybe ANN (though they're most just uptight). It's good for some things, I suppose (the toy threads can be useful). That, and I only post when I have something to say, so it's rare that I get a really high post count anywhere except some forums. hell, I barely average over 120 posts a year here! I was just too spread out, so I've cut down the number I post on. That, and I'm tired of arguing on the damn net. great, now I'll probably be checking it a bit. Thanks... (first log-in in three months.) The 4chan comment wasn't precisely aimed at you, but rather the odd bickering over "bitch this" and "childish that". It struck me as more of something I'd read on 4chan rather than the more intelligent banter I expect from here. Though it is better, if not as outright hilarious as 4chans (which you're quoted on, by the way [not by me] ). Your "wrongdoings" bit merely catalyzed it. Um, thanks. I think most people know the definition of that term. Still, its often used to describe things far more extreme then anything Ranka's done. The guy with a Moe haircut maybe, but heck, I wouldn't even use it for Sheryl. True, but she's also a two-dimensional character with not even half a series worth of development. She's kind of exempt from the whole "original sin" thing. ;; So since you're pissed at people interpreting Sheryl differently than you, you make a claim that her shyness forgives her of having the usual brother/sister spat and describe it as wrongdoings? Um.. okay.As a big brother myself, I know that that's nothing. Sure fandom can be blind. So how is this any better? "They crap on my character and claim that theirs' is perfect, and that's bad, so I'll do the same but in my case, since Sheryl's been so persecuted, it's good." It doesn't work like that (despite what forums like Asuki and 4chan think). It's nothing personal, and I've already stated that I haven't taken either side, but that's kind of messed up thinking. Maybe it seems as you've described, but fans seem to like to break things down into confident=bitchy, shy=cute. It's sort of a strawman arguement. Not quite, but close enough. Let me return the favor. Wikipedia defines Strawman as: "straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position).[1] A straw man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it carries little or no real evidential weight, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.[2]" This I've seen on just about every forum I've ever known. It's a horrendous way of tearing about weaker opponents by twisting their words or pinning words on them. Saying all Ranka fans think Sheryl's a bitch or vice versa is sort of in it's camp. The thing is, it's all in opinion, and both sides do it, so boo-hoo. It's not that big a deal. Do note that I'm not necessarily applying it to your post. ^_- It's sort of ridiculous too given Sheryl and Rankas' current relationship (though Ranka does have a clue, so it might be her turn to start pouting soon). That's ignoring of course that both girls appear to have troubled pasts, and have their own approaches. Sheryl's forward and blunt. Of course she's going to appear "bitchy' to some, but why do you care? She's also quite eccentric and assertive and playful. Ranka is more reserved and withdrawn, though she's not without a temper, if only towards her overprotective adoptive brother, whom she's also rather concerned about. Frying pans are often for comedic effect in anime, by the way. If you're dwelling on that, you're really straining. Heck, it could be argued that both girls are something of a reflection of one another. Now you're just being silly. Sorry if I sound harsh. I can't tell at this hour and mindstate. Welcome to Macross World. It's much more laid back, if still a tad anal at times.

First I've even heard it.

"Wrongdoings"? What show are you watching? Ah fandom. I had no clear this sort of debate was raging. On 4chan maybe, but here?

Indeed. though i still need to reconcile the two Sheryls. A rewatching I must go. I think you're taking that a bit too much at face value. Actually, I think that suggests quite the opposite. Especially since Ranka realised the position she's in. Sheryl and Alto might hook up, but it probably won't be final. Alto doesn't seem to be looking at a romantic relationship eitherway. Both seem more friendly and protective (to Ranka) or obligatory and understanding (to Sheryl). Though the way Sheryl's leading, he might get some ideas (or be paralyzed by confusion). post 666 On second thought, I still think neither is highly likely.

I suppose. Though I see Sheryl simply as a character in need of much more development. Same as the rest of the cast. Go fig.

Like hell they don't. It just depends on the tone. In that situation, I'd look as down on a guy as much as I would a girl (a bit of, "geez, what a slavedriver, let the man take a quick call.' ). Though to be honest, I didn't think much of the scene, so the point is moot. I don't see why this has to be turned into an issue of sex. My thoughts on Sheryl would be the same no matter her chromosomes. I'd call it more "forceful" or "tactless" than bitchy, as you like calling it "in control".

I like both, but i prefer the movie version hands down. It's the only version i own at the moment. I actually just saw part 4 of the OAV a few nights ago, and it reminded me how much better executed the movie was. The movie definitely balanced the story better. It's been awhile, but i remember the OAV just stopping at times for more test sequences that only built on Isamu/Guld's rivalry, which was already well established. Just comparing the finale, the entire ending was greatly improved. The cuts were better, the music more fitting, Sharon's control over the city and Isamu better illustrated, and of course, Guld got the death scene he deserved. That, and you don't have the "I flew like hell to save you, rekindling your own love of song and reconciling both our feeling, and well, now I just got to fly off, because like Sharon said, I sure love flying" at the end. I remember one person being of the opinion that the ideal version would be the first three OAVs with the last 40 minutes of the movie. It would be nice to a better copy in the US. I've stuck with my VHS for some time. As for the dub, I never had too much of a problem with it, except Myungs talk with Sharon. They change the whole, "I don't know what you're talking about! I have no desire to kill Isamu.' to the vaguer, "Those emotions are something only in you" or something. It wasn't until I saw the sub that I ever figured out why Sharon was trying to shoot down the man she loved. That's some pretty bad dub writing in my book.

I think it also has to do with her established character. It's not wrong to call someone bitchy when they're being such. Sexism has little to do with it. He'd be called a "dick". Oh, and I agree on Ranka being a child for the moment. I'm sure that's part of her growth plan. She's not Alto material at the moment, and neither is Sheryl (outside of him masochism)

I find that post and avatar combo quite hilarious. As for me, I'm a tad undecided. Going on first impressions, I'm more a Ranka fan, as I still trying to figure Sheryl out. Having had over four months of "Sheryl's a real work-centric bitch" sure as hell made her characterization a bit confusing so I'm going to have to rewatch the start of the series. Right now, she seems to go from, "I want nothing to do with you" to "Hey, I lost my earring, so I'm going to obsess over you and flirt while we find it and use you as my personal tour guide/chance to take a break from my workaholicness". I keep feeling like I missed an episode, or someone on staff rewrote her character a bit between two episodes into a bit of an uptight at times scatterbrain. She sort of reminds me of a costume designer I've worked with. Pretty nice person once you talked to her, but cold pro when it came to work. You mess with her stuff wrong, she'll let you have it, but it was nothing personal. At least the whole Galaxy thing sort of explained her quirkiness. All the main girls have their plus and minuses. Ranka's cute and persevering, but highly naive with a troubled past. I usually don't like characters like her, but she's just sort of likable. Kind of like me and Mikuru Asahina. Her problem right now is her lack of forwardness, which Sheryl has in Spades. As for Sheryl, I'd like her more if not for the oddity detailed above. Maybe I sat between episodes a day or two more than I should of, but I just couldn't place her relationship with Alto. I kept asking early on, "Why are they hanging together again?" I can see why they added the whole concert incident. Otherwise, going from Deculture Edition, they have no connection whatsoever. As such, it affects my view of her and a somewhat inconsistent character. it's odd, as I usually love characters like her (confidant and strong, yet with a cuteness that betrays a vulnerabilty, in otherwords a bit of a Tsundere and I absolutely love Tsundere). I like that she's supporting Ranka. They've definitely toned down her surlyness. Though it's sort of obvious that she knows Ranka's crush on Alto, and the episode ten bit did seem like a bit of a stab at her. Maybe that's her intention as well. Though episode ten itself was kind of random (especially the whole Alto coming out of nowhere part, and what actually became of the original Mao actress-hurt/dead-who cares, right?) Still, even I'm shocked at her poor performance. She's a lot easier to put your finger on as shes more consistent. Her "Wha 'bout My Star" is better anyway. Klan's pretty cool, for the little they've used of her, and I sort of like Cathy. She's so going to hook back up with Ozma or something at one point. Both need a lot of fleshing out though. Nanase wins points for the tits, glasses, hair, cheerful/fruitiness, and at times blatant homosexuality (hurray for Yuri subtext!!!). Even Grace could prove interesting in the future. As for winner, my money's on Ranka. Though Keith's Misa analogy is an intriguing thought (though Sheryl's no Misa), this series has verged on SDF Macross remake vibes why to much. It seems fairly obvious that Sheryl was more the Minmay of the two (position, not personality-wise). Though the episode 11 teaser suggests otherwise now. Still, they like using MacrossTV plot elements and then twisting them right before you can say, "rip off!. Though Sheryl's position at the moment seems to be as a catalyst for Ranka to grow more of a spine given the whole kiss bull. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up with neither. Both are sort of Minmay-ish now. So I'm sort of undecided, though I do like them all, and need to put my finger on Sheryl. She's definitely the most developed at the moment, though that was more out of necessity thanks to her establishment (the soft spots in one really shouldn't have been toned down like they were). As such, no Frontier girl avy for me. Millia's safe for now (though avy with me doesn't necessarily depict favorite- Misa's my main M love.) For those that care though, if I did, it'd probably be Sheryl's underwear grab. Mostly out of the pure "WTF" moment that it was. As usual, I've been horribly sniped (started this before S-girl's post). oh, and pardon any oddities in my writing. I'm suffering a bad cold at the moment, so my mind's not all clear. Agreed. Gah...::::: As for the mature/moe debate, neither character has really developed that much to use them. Ranka's cute, so I can get the "moe" bit, but she's definitely got more going for her than that. I sure as hell wouldn't call Miss Random "mature" or even all that complex at the moment. She's more a tease if anything with her own dark-ish past for flavor .

Mr March and The Shade speak much truth. Though it'd be nice if the constant stream of redos and DCs ended. I'm sort of tired of not getting the film I saw in theatres because the DVD to get just happens to also be unrated or "the version we couldn't show you". Remember when DCs were made up of footage that actually got cut for a reason, not so they could release two or three different sets at once or to beef up the marketing campaign? Or when a director shot something and then moved on immediately? Yeah, neither do I. As for Sky Crawlers, I don't know much about it, so how so?

It's an interesting concept. I could see the want of updating the visuals to be more in line with Innocence, but I can't say I like how drastically it alters the look and feel of the film (much like the afore mentioned SEs). The new shots are a lot redder, which is odd given the bluish look of the old footage. I wonder if they're just replacing the old CGI, or if they're going to do a lot of needlessly adding of more CG. The chopper shot suggests the latter, and looks terrible in comparison. It's always a bit sad to see hand done work replaced by flashy, cold technology, no matter how much "cooler" it looks. I suppose as long as is doesn't supplant the original, it's okay. Though I'd rather see a third Oshii GitS film instead.

Sure, if you don't mind cell phone pics. Cell wise seemed okay for the little I flipped through, no Gunbuster cels though (there are some awesome ones on Yahoo Japan right now).

Yeah, most of the questions were pretty lame. Though the answers usually made up for it.

Thanks. That made my day. As for the GL panel, which one?

This coming from a Zeta fan.... [huge Z fan myself, especially of the drama] Well to each there own, but a mecha show about just action would be boring as F*ck in my opinion. Let the action serve the story, not vice versa. Not everything has to be about stuff blowing up to be good... Little action or no, episode five's finale still satisfies more than some entire shows on the battle scene level. ----------- Anyway, on the personal front, I've returned from a mostly gratifying Fanime. On the Gunbuster/Diebuster front, more happened than usually expected. I found Film Book 1 at the swap meet for five bucks. Love the group shot in it. Managed to catch the end of Gattai for Gunbuster and, the following day Diebuster. So I basically saw "At the End of Endless Stream". In Diebuster's case, it was actually the first time I'd seen any of that footage outside of pics on 4chan, or skimming the DVD. I enjoyed it for the most part, even if I didn't fully understand the earth or second cockpit things. Nono's sort of grown on me, though Lar'c (Lal'c?) is still somewhat eh. I think that may be why I've never really gotten back to the OAV, the characters don't really excite me much [making me something of an anomaly amongst like fans who are usually repulsed by the art/tone, which I had little problem with]. On Monday, picked up two Nono Gashapons [one maid, one BM] in the dealers hall to reflect my somewhat reconciliation with the character. I would've picked up the Bome if it weren't so damn overpriced ($20, and not a penny more, and yet everyone's selling her for $28-30, even Noriko was $30, and I got her for $18). They go rather nicely next to my Bome and Koto Norikos. Could not find any Wave Norikos or GX-34s. Big shock, but the Wave was sort of plausible, and would've been my only high priced figure purchase if found. Anyone actually got one of these? Speaking of GX-34s, not finding one turned out to be a non-issue. It turns out my friend ordered me one for my birthday. It's somehow unsurprising (in a "what took you so long" sort of way) but still amazing. It made me glad I grabbed him a super rare autograph to cover his and Christmas. What autograph, you ask? Well, Yamaga brought with him this time a slew of Gurren-Lagann artists and other Gainax big wigs, including Diebuster chara designer and Gunbuster chara adapter Yoshiyuki Sadamoto. Not knowing this, I left my Der Mond at home, but picked up a Groundwork of End of Eva 1 book at the swap meet for 30 bucks. Sad thing was that after two people, someone came by and said his manager had forbade him signing, or photos for that matter. Fortunately, later at the meet, someone got his manager away from him and I got the book signed (one of eight of the only people there actually involved with Eva or at least around long enough and willing to actually sign the book) and a photo. I picked up a signature for my friend when he was signing in the hallway afterwards. Some such people even did work on Gunbuster. One of them being Fumio Iida. I found out at the last second that sketches were being done following a Gainax panel I had to leave. I had a chance for one. I saw a guy with a Noriko sketch, asked who did it, and decided to gravitate towards him. Sure enough, I got one myself on request thanks to one guy following the staffer's advice to let some other people get some. So I got his last sketch that day on a piece of borrowed sketch paper. It was only later that I learned he had indeed worked on Gunbuster, and not just able to sketch it. He also signed the Eva book (though ANN says he didn't work on it), and I got a photo with him after telling him Gunbuster was my favorite (his too apparently). I didn't get everyone, and missed at least one major GL artist, but I got the most important ones. One guy was even wearing a BM 7 shirt (I think he signed the book, I'm not sure), and the producer like my Kare Kano shirt. So I may finally have something on the level of my other unappreciative friend's Mikimoto Noriko sketch. So yeah, great con in the end, even with a few early signature snafus bungling me up.

Anyone here attend the Gainax meet and greet at Fanime? They must've had over 30 people that worked on tis show there. It was quite awesome.

It's the same way I've seen people list Gurren Lagaan shirts as Gunbuster ones on eBay. People don't do their (what would be swift) research in the pursuit of the almighty dollar. Though I believe this to merely be a case of someone being to lazy to change the template. I've seen it happen.

I assume these will be two disc sets. At least, they better be. More than five episodes is pushing it... EDIT Thank you, Paploo of ANN's boards,

You've got to love stuff like that. Bolivia was probably more expensive and or a hassle.

Junk boy?! Junk Boy?! After great stuff like Layzner and Blazing Transfer Student, you give us Junk Boy!? A long licensed , rightfully obscure title like Junk Boy? Junk Boy was licensed ages ago by Manga Ent. It's so mundane that they had no problem streaming it for free back when they had their portal website. Okay, so it's not horrible thanks to the bit of storyline towards the end, but hardly noteworthy. That, and compared to the gold you've listed before, it's utter crap. The Goldenboy comparison is merited as it's practically the same in tone, but GB blew it out of the water in all respects. ;; This is good for a few laughs, and grows a small heart at the end, but not much else. Any wonder it's long out of print...

I've only watched bits from the RAW so I can't comment much. I liked the old opening narration better. Namely the music just made it epic, and agree that the intro was nice. It also showed a softer side to Sheryl. The extended concert was nice, though the old one was really nicely edited. The new sets up Alto and Sheryl a bit ore though. I'll post more thoughts once a subbed version is out. For all you fansub newbys, a sub for a show like this usually hitys a day or two after a raw comes out. A good sub usually hits about three to five days after a good raw comes out.