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Yeah and they would blow the bottom out of their defence budgets. Completely unfeasable, European NEED to coalece their arms markets or their defence industrial base will completely fade away. I could write a 30 page paper on why. IT comes down to one phrase, economies of scale.. David do you know what Augustine's 16 law is? #2 things.. Huge amount of people who are left over from the soviet era, and Russia is the second arms exporting country in the world. Effectively Russia's R&D costs are very low compared to the US. Give it another decade and they will not be able to keep up.

Hmm I think we have to give Airbus 300 some credit. The sucess of the 300s was finding a niche market that was not forseen before. With development abd refinement of the Hub and spoke system of Airline travel (which resulted in the need for larger commuter planes), as well as the removal of the FAA''s restriction on Transatlantic flights needing two engines, the 300s (and the 310) were very well suited to capture a large market share. Yes they did give EA a great deal but it was well worth it. It was very much like the introduction of the shopping cart in a grocery store. The first shopping carts were shunned by people, so the owner paid some people to look like buyers using the shopping carts. People then started using them. The A-300 was kinda like that, from absolutely no sales, to 133 firm orders and 26% market share by value. By the end of 1979, Airbus had 256 orders from 32 customers and 81 aircraft in service with 14 operators. Thats fairly impressive numbers from a company that didn't exist 9 years earlier.

Actually I agree with both radd and winkle. Radd I'm sure you can tell us how the market in north america has changed from classical to CG, but in Japan, Anime is a far more acceptable art form for general population. Look at the surge in manga publication over the last decade, anime feeds off of that completely. Im sure the industry is seeing some financial difficulty, but I can;t see it dying out as it did here at all. I still think classical with CG cell shaded will continue to go for quite some time as the standard.

I was reading a report out there by a reseach think tank and it predicted that the EF-2000 will be the F-16 of the future in terms of export sales. I didn't look at the research methodology or the findings, and I'll try to dig it up. A larger project in the European mindset is the new A-400M Military transport. I'll state this now, if the European do this right, they will be sittin on top of a gold mine. The 400 is a Airbus built Transport plane, that can do many of the things that a C-17 can but at 1/2 to 2/3rds the Life cycle costs. This is a market that is completely under represented, since the US just goes with the larger C-17 and C-5 to carry out Strategic Airlift. However these planes are completely unfeasable for Smaller militaries. Ther astronomical costs associated with them make them unnatractive and on top of that are too big to be of use. In Discussions I've had with RAF personnel in Strat Air, they don't even use most of their capacity on their recently leased C-17s because they are too large. Most Western states today operate the C-130, which is too small and has too short legs to carry out the missions that most states need them to fulfil. In the post cold war era, Strategic lift is fast becoming a major mission profile that airforces must be able to carry out. The ability to deploy units fast to a crisis point necessitates the need for fast lift. However the C-130s can't get units there, so the A-400M is deisigned to fill the gap between the C-17 at a c-130 budget. The only other compeditor on the market is the russian An 70X, which has better performance, and will be built before the A-400M, however does not have the financial backing of all these western states. The A-400M main problem is in itself, rather if the new European Oversight body, OCCAR (its a french acronym) can successfully oversee this project. There are a lot of questions on whether the 400 will be able to meet the deadline, and there is a lot riding on it. With the exception of the UK, most have put off purchasing a Strat lift airframe in order to purchase the A-400. If it is on time, likely every country that has a C-130 now, will buy the A-400 instead, and more orders will probably come. Like the A-300 before it the Airbus's entry into this market looks like its sure to make a big impact.

The russians used them extensively in Chechnya. They are extremely effective in clearing out cellars due to their overpressure effects. However Im not too sure how much the Russians used a air deployed version, from what I have seen they were more prone to a static version instead.

I had the same problem. Its the flat base that is used, and you and I thinned out the paint too much. Its oooh so tempting to do but I've learned my lesson. You might want to strip it and try again. I couldn't find a way around it. http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?...opic=3588&st=0&

Yeah its to old Avalon hill version. The guys I'm playing with are old military guys, like in their 40s and I got them to break out the old game. IT was fun to ruin 5 hours on but most of us picked apart the rules while playing. It wsa like... THERES NO WAY THAT SHIP JUST TOOK A BROADSIDE FROM 200 YARDS AND LIVED. A friend of mine has a new ruleset to use for next time for the counters. is line of battle board game based?

The original argument was about armor, so I didn't talk about radar. I'll freely admit that American sets were superior. Another good example of night radar fighting was the battle of Cape Matapan with the british navy sinking three crusiser at night. I'm always wary about using internet sources because usually its not academically peer reviewed on hugely techncial issues, however Elder's anaysis seems to come from primary source material so I took it as face value. I would have perfered that he used footnotes though I'll go on monday to the defence college library to find some material. The interesting thing about the Hood is that its plunging fire weakeness were well known to the Royal Navy and she was to be rebuilt during the interwar period, which may have saved her from her fate. Her Conning tower was to be removed and decks shored up as well as some removal of machinery. However as the flagship she never got a chance. I've been doing a lot of research on this lately because I''ve been playing the boardgame Jutland with some military friends of mine. We did the Dogger bank scenario, and the Royal Navy triumphed this time convincingly with only the Seydlitz able to flee. I didn't like the rule set however (close in damage should do a HELL of a lot more damage IMHO).

I don;t think thats quite correct. I did some fishing on the web to back up what I was looking for and I found this. http://members.aol.com/ghe101/ijn_yamato_vs_uss_iowa.htm I've been trying to find out who this guy is, since he seems to be party to some excellent information. If what he says is true, Japanese armour would be actually better than their american counterparts in some cases. This shouldn't be too hard to believe. Remember that the Japanese poured in huge amounts of their national wealth into their Navy, which was seen as the most prestigious service. They were not hampered by material shortages until the later part of the war, long after the Yamatos were built. Also Japanese battleship development did not fully stop during the interwar period as Japanese designers put out some of the best Heavy cruisers designed, such as the Mikumas. They were undoubtedly the world leaders in this field, prompting the construction of the Alaska class BCs. The Nagato was considered the best battleship of her period (1920s and 30s), superior to the Queen Elisabeth class so to say that their armour was stuck in 1800s is untrue.

I'm sorry, Im going to have to disagree on this. Unless the US's steel manufacturing was "that much" better than the Japanese , the Yamatos were far stonger ships(and there are studies that point to Japanese armor being even superior to their American counterparts). According to Janes Battleships of the 20th Century, the Yamato had a continous belt of 16.1 inches that was angled at 20 degrees. The Iowa's belt was not continous, running at 12.1 inches at its maximum. The Yamato's Conning tower was a staggering 19.7 inches and its turrets 25.6 inches. It is also said that the deck and conning tower armor was possibly 25% stronger than US class A, with the US armor worsening in performance as the shell size increases. If density is any measure, the Yamatos were 263 meters long, while the Iowas 270, and yet the Yamatos were 68,000 Tons while the Iowas were 52,000. Overall the Yamatos carried more armor, and possibly better armor as well. I could go into armaments and speed but that wasn't the point of your post. so I'll leave it there. The Hood and many of her contemporary British Battlecruisers had major weakenss to plunging fire. The rapid evolution of Naval combat during the dreadnaught era created an oversight in british design for this type of hit, so that there was a huge hole in its Immunity zone. Plunging fire devestated three british battlecruisers during the Battle of Jutland and nearly sank a fourth. Once within flat arc trajectory the Hood 's Armor was quite strong, being a flared 12 inch belt. The Seydlitz was a true veteran. Fought in the Battle of Dogger bank and Jutland, the ship took a beating in both battles that most battleships wouldn't survive (she was a battle cruiser) and continued fighting. If I had to rate my top three, the first would be the last British Battleship the Vanguard, then the Yamato, and finally the Vittorio Veneto (thats a beautiful ship)

saw it in Japan two years ago..... .pretty good flick. I completely agree with the review

It may be one of the greatest games of all time. Definately in my top 3 (Starcraft and Goldeneye are my other two) Does anybody remember the day when you first researched the heavy plasma and got the flying suit and gave the Aliens a taste of their own medicine? Or the Psiamp? did any of you laugh maniacally when you got your first blaster bomb? And then the Etherials came on the scene.... and they always went for the guy with the blaster bomb and nuked your squad.

or maybe the Jamming bird custom?

Okay I've read over this and I wanted to make one point Probably the main reason why VF-1 wouldn't have a Melee weapon is because it already has an effective short ranged weapon with unlimited ammo- its head lasers. It would also make more sense why the 1A could not effectively use its lasers shooting forward, while the J and S could. Cannon Fodder would not be expected to get close in and survive. Head lasers are probably more powerful than punching, and have a better traverse (especially in the J and S versions. Since the VF-11's head laser is far more limited than the VF-1's was, it would make sense that it could use a anti armor bayonet.

Maybe you should read more about the series themselves. A 2 hours OAV series cannot have anywhere close to the character development that a 24 hour long series does. Thats why they both came out at the same time. Macross Plus does have a plot and some character development, but it was primarily inteneded to be a showcase VFs and be an action movie. That cannot be disputed. The Mechas in Plus were right up front. IT STARTS OFF AS A COMPETITION BETWEEN TWO NEW FIGHTERS. How can it be secondary when Guld and Isamu engage in battle for approxomately 40% of the whole series? At the time Macross plus was the most expensive OAV to date, and it had no expenese spared in animating the valks including some of the first effectively integrated Computer animation (unlike the Return Of Char, where it was very gimmicky) Macross 7 was completely different. Its premise was based on development of characters and plot. the overriding theme is war and pacifism, which in Japan is a very big deal. If you are interested read this thread I expand on it in there. http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=4039&hl= So you are making marketing assumptions without any real knowledge of time slot of the television show, the market or even the intentions of the creator. How do I know these things? Because I was in Japan during the summer of 1995 watching the show. Honestly you are shooting from the hip because you don't like it and think its funny making one lined stupid comments about it. At least Keith does have something to say about the series. You on the other hand don't bring anything to the table except "gay this, Pink that." the DNA quote above is a perfect example. If you have something relevant to say to the discussions, not your own opinion which is well known to all of us, by all means share it.

Because macross 7 wasn't about mecha... they played a secondary roll behind the characters in the story. That was the difference beween macross-7 and Plus and why they were released at the same time. Macross 7 was intended to be a Manga show for television with Character development and a deep plot, Plus was intended as a mecha based show that showed off the signatures of the series the VF-19 and 21.

Probably the most overwhelming aspect of production for UN Spacy is the Factory Satellite. If the thing is the size of the moon as some people have claimed (even if its 1/3rd) it would have absolutely fantastic production capabilities. And most of this production capabilities would be very high tech. That would be how UN Spacy is able to build so many Colony vessels. However once on their own, colony ships and colonies would have far more limited production capabilities, usually centered around the Three star ships, which takes significant amounts of time to construct things. Thats why Macross 7 was still using VF-11/ Vf-17 rather than Vf-19/ Vf-22s.

Can you provide facts prove your assertion that to refute what I wrote above, or should i just rely on your ego as the source of this claim. Do you even know what channel Mac 7 was played on and at what times? Mac 7 did decently well. Part of it undoubtedly had to do with the co release schedual of the Macross Plus OAVs, attracted more support.

The "morphing wings" are only a YF-21 exclusive and considering that this thread is about the VF-22... maybe. I can also see special versions (stuff that the VF-X ravens would use) having Mission Adaptive wings. Its the cost of the wings themselves that make it expensive, which means that there is no reason why a VF-22 couldn't be fitted with them. moreover, the Immense productive capacity of the Factory Satellite probably makes the cost of them negligble. For most other manufacturing centers (like Three Stars), manufacturing the wings probably are too expensive. For the best of the best (aka UN Spacy SAS) im sure no costs are too much.

by all accounts? Uhh what threads have you been reading? In almost every thread I've been in, its the 21/maybe 22 that rocks over the 19 http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=2328&hl= this is probably the best thread on this topic. remember... Mission Adaptive wing technology kicks ass.

Doesn't mean that it can''t be from the general shape. Advanced valkyrie chronicals ---> Macross 7 Vartua would be a similar idea. From what I can see, the only thing that doesn't match is teh superstructure... the nose is perfect. It may be a direct Predecssesor to or a different flight of class. I don't think that Kawamori had a specific design for this ship... I bet it was just a small doodle that he gave the animators. Whatever we say here is certainly non Cannon.

PINNED MEANS PUT AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE, NOT CLOSED. Why should it be pinned? Because honestly it comes up So many times and the same stupid arguments come up. comments like this IT WASN'T DESIGNED FOR 12 YEAR OLDS. IT was designed as a character based series, probably shounen and above. I don't like repeating the same answers over and over again. This thread http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=4039&hl= is the best thread out there because people made pretty in depth arguments about it. My first post explains the deeper thoughts behind it like Pacifism, and other Japanese themes. Do you honestly believe its a show for 12 year olds when it makes fun of Mylene saying "enjo kosai" to Max in episode 30 (or 31)? You would have to at least be 14 to undestand the whole concept, and probably over 16 to even get a laugh out of it. Most people who bash it honestly don't have a conception of deeper trends in Japanese society. The people who do, I accord great respect to your opinions and I have no problem with you at all. Thats the Drunken Skass'and Duke Togos of the boards. But most just get to the point of "it different, I don't like it", well its different for a reason. If the deeper theme goes over your head thats because you don't understand what the deeper themes are. Which takes a while to explain WHY it is different. If it was pinned at the top we could just point to the thread instead of having to rewrite it. There must be at least one every two weeks on here.

I said it before, I think its the Algenix cruisers we see in M3.

Yeah I was about to say so.... I don't see why this topic isn't pinned. This is the 8th time I've seen this topic brought up, and I'd say put them all together and it would be a longer thread than the HG vs BW thread. I'd say that people feel more strongly about this than that thread anyways. Can a mod please explain why it hasn't been pinned already? Edited because I can't think clearly at 1:30 in the morning.

Thats 10 seconds of my life that you have forever wasted... I won't be getting them back either..... pfft.