Whamhammer

Allright, I am big enough to admitt when I am incorrect. After watching that point of the episode, he did say that. What he means can still be argued. In Robotech, exposure to the Flower of Life did bring about effects such as hallucinations and other mind altering effects. Points of refference would be Dana's exposure as well as Rand's exposure, both had a hallucengenic/mind altering reaction and had changes of thier understanding of situations that would seem to be brought about by an outside sourceof knowlesge. Maybe Dolza's assertion of effect of protoculture (even a few moments later) is that the Flower of Life and its byproducts brought about behavioral traits in the Zentraedi that the Robotech Masters filtered out by minimal exposure to protoculture/flower of life and able to being able to act out on reactions of the past . Male and female units being seperated (I know this is standard in many militaries for the same reason as the Zents did , but possible for a more intense fear of reaction.) The Zentraedi didnt maintain their ships , maybe because they were disallowed to avoid being accidentally exposed to protoculture . This would explain a lack of maintenance of a military vessel. This goes against typical known military beliefs of being very strict on maintenance on equipment , albeit Ive never heard of alien militaries, but would believe they would do the same unless they have a very good reason.

Whos going to add you to thier hit list? You are allowed to have an opinion. However to deny someone elses opnion based on an emotional reaction and no consideration of it is folly.

Ummmmmmmm, he didnt. Maybee in Macross he did but Robotech, he didnt.

Thats your right to hope for it, and if H.G. isnt carefull that very may well happen. I see an opportunity for them and hope that they make something of it.

In Robotech , Exodore was asked if they thought that humans and the Zentraedi might have had the same decendents not "decendants of protoculture". In Robotech "protoculture" is the energy given off in a power conversion process of the plants that develop into the "flower of life", which powers the vast majority of Robotech mecha. The Reflex furnaces and reactors are reverse engineered from the wreckage create that same power but dont require an organic (ie flower) powersource , which is why they were so crucial to the Masters. The Invid are obsessed with protoculture to the point they detect its energy readings as a primary function. The Zentraedi were confused by emotions such as love and by music (and I guess all happy happy joy joy things), thier society had filtered these things out , not that it was protoculture. I know what vf was saying , albeit his lives in some emotionally disturbed land that we the sane should make a point to avoid. (" Those whom disagree are the enemy no ands ifs or butts"-land). Some fans prefer the first saga others the third and a minoirty the second. He also suggested that the Macross should be the crux of Robotech, I attest it isnt. Macross is not the father the sun and the holy ghost, just a part of it a cog in the gears of the story. I also attest that moving on from the New Generation timeline is feasable and can be succesfull with propper project development. It remains to be seen if H.G. will be able to do that judging by the finished productof Shadow Chronicles and lack of public development of Rising (which should have been developed right along with Chronicles). I think they need to bring a staff in that will do that, and use any W.B. movie along side of it in place of prioritizing the live action (if they wish to remain having Robotech as an anime product instead of live action). The only reasons why H.G. should even try to work alonside more Macross in ventures is if they arent willing to take a chance and devlop more New Gen and boyond products or that they just totally give up, (and then might as well do nothing).

Hes got that nasally off pitch thing going, if it helps that Imnot singling himout , I dont like Getty Lees voice either. Im in to rock from late sixtes to mid nineties , and "mainstream" metal. You never know. Did I mention Cash?

Simple I never said remake episodes 1-36. You do a film , abbreviate the saga. Use transforming mecha that arent Valks, but post Raptor , pre Alpha (not swing winged). And get the story told! Honestly , I think the Robotech Masters war would benefit the most from a movie, show the ground pounder aspect of a war and make something better than those heapy Logans! It can be done, they just need to do it! And dont even put some high dollar cast (they kill flicks), just some good young actors! Give Lattitude for Sentinels, and by the time thats all done theyre either tired of doing anime and branch into movies, or stop doing the movies and stick with animation (by then I think the technology will be up to speed to do it well either way).

No I am associating Reba West with one of the worst American singers in the history of our nation. Dylan might be able to right, but the man couldnt hold a tune to save his life!!!

WHAMMIE LIKE!!! WHAMMIE LIKE!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they dont pay those guys.

Ah, the brilliance of intellectual debate, I miss it so. Wheres that Cherry soda? Look guys I can quote myself too!!! "And a space battleship made from the remnants of ship wreckage with a weapon that can destroy the targets in its path in a single hit, with space fighter planes to boot with an old man captain and a goob who becomes the leader. Doesnt sound a thing like Space Battleship Yamato, nope, not a thing. "

Is this where the "Yo momma" lines come in?

"Well thanks to your overlords, that's all anyone wants out of Robotech is Macross since its the most identifiable and well remembered of the three. Gundam even with its myriad of universes is still recognizable as Gundam. Robotech has subsisted so long on being tied to the original show that it really doesn't have a recognizable identity outside of Macross and the two derivative shows" I have overlords? Yeah, ask McKeever and Steve of my obidience to a said Overlords, riiiiiiiiiiiight. Whos this anyone I hear? Are those guys the ones who drove the Aluminum Falcon? I for one have no interest in the Macross portion in continuance of the series, and among circles the Macross side being the future isnt brought up as well. Minmei can go take a Valk' down the middle of Tehran and have an Ice Cream Social for all I care! "So then you're left with a generic sci-fi premise which is exactly how Shadown Chronicles turned out. Good job, you've successfully determined the core of Robotech is generic sci-fi." "So what is the core of Robotech then? Please explain it to me." Well, theres that whole galaxy of aliens chasing after a rare power source in the same way two Cigarette boats owners chasing after the last barrell of gas would. With transforming mecha and humans being stuck in the middle of it and not taking kindly to being pushed around by said aliens. And the religous fanatics that hate energy, too. "Mospeada is derivative of Macross and also Starship Troopers. Add in some other one-off TV show filler stories and you've got a fair chunk of Mospeada. And if you want to talk about the guerrilla war aspects well Dougram had already been out two years prior to Mospeada" And a space battleship made from the remnants of ship wreckage with a weapon that can destroy the targets in its path in a single hit, with space fighter planes to boot with an old man captain and a goob who becomes the leader. Doesnt sound a thing like Space Battleship Yamato, nope, not a thing.

"You people" and "farting" have always been the hallmarks of the beginning of an intellegent responce. I'm still waiting for an intellegent argument, I'd really like to hear one. How about this, I'll give you some data to compile for thought and later use, sound good? Here we go. I've only ever purchased one copy of Robotech seiries, and that was the "Protoculture Edition". So no, I havent been buying the same show. Now, In between the 85 episodes and buying that edition of Robotech where was my time and money put? Oh , yes, other hobbies. Musclecars, building my own computers, the occasional tabletop game with my friends and helping them run thier own hobby store, that year I helped tear down my Uncles Sunbeam Tiger with him while he was restoring it. There were Star Trek movies, and Star Wars , and Aliens. There was KISS , AC/DC and Metallica. Some military service, seventeen years of automotive field experience, some college, living in my apartement, you get the idea. I think I've had plenty to do in between releases. They eventually relaeased a new product. It wasnt Macross (which is not a failing point) .I did buy it, it was definately midlands and showed a definate need of better planning. They havent shown much in way of a plan on its follow up either. I am gratious that they did refrain from musical aerial combat duelling however. Ive present my misgiving with the product, only a blind man could miss that. So enough people keep buying H.G. stuff to keep it profitable. Thats thier right. I wish H.G> would do better with that money, for sure. People keep on buying Bob Dylan and Madonna records too. I'm messing it up for you to get Macross? How inconvenient! Im sorry I hold that much power over you. If I was only going to use my powers for good? Bring me a Cherry soda!!! Maybe H.G. hasnt been the only company whos had problems in their planning , maybe some forethought on international release rights in the beginning would have fixed this. It wouldve been killing two birds with one stone, international release control AND no Robotech! Another one for you? The makers of Macross could work with the people they have odds with on an equally profitable venture to release Macross in those markets? Some say money is a fabulous motivator. Is H.G. the only true party in the industry that has stopped Macross from comming in? I doubt it. Am I the biggest fan of H.G., no. And being that I am all powerfull, I am certainly much more than a drone.

That statement made no sence. By the logic your using, unless it continually re-uses Macross throughout every product, Robotech isnt Robotech . That unless you continue rehashing prior products it wont be identifyable to customers. That you cant continue a universe from three seperate wars unless you keep going back to the first two? That Macross is the only series that had people piloting transforming craft into robot-things fighting space aliens with a different culture, that it wasnt a re-occuring theme in animation? I dont need to see Capt. Kirk or the original Enterprise all the time to know Im watching Star Trek, I can have different crews on different ships, heck I can even have a Klingon crew on a Klingon ship or a Romulan crew on a Romulan ship, its still in that universe. I dont have to see Warhammers or even Mad Cats on a tabletop in a Battletech game to know its Battletech. The histories still there , the timelines still there. You dont need Macross to make it Robotech anymore than Southern Cross to, its an element, not the whole premace , not the whole story.

Honestly, the Toynami Beta is really , really good. I was very impressed with it. I wouldnt have continued spending 150 bux each if I didnt, Im not rich by anyones standards. And honestly Yamato did have twenty-plus years to produce one and didnt.

I would love for you to be able intellegently articulate your thesis on Robotech fans not being human beings.

I disagree with you highly, a product need not anchor istelf on just one segement of its history unless it wants to. Just because Macross does it doesnt mean everyone else has to as well. I would be very happy if H.G. puts out a product and doesnt have a Valk/VF-1 or Rick Hunter or Minmay in it ever again. Im happy with the succession of these three (now four) wars and dont need to see related Macross stuff in Robotech anymore, the original saga served its purpose and Im ready to move on. Im happy with the Sterling kids being as close of a wink to the Macross portion as we can get. I sure as hell dont want fighter pilots trying to sing thier openents to death in thier cockpits. I dont understand why this concept is so hard for some people to grasp.

Not really, there are several people on that I've seen on E-bay that are selling home-cast mechs. They make a mold from the original and clean up the mold untill its good enough , then paint the mech and sell it as a painted product (so they can avoid gettng sued for legal infringements). I have a friend who used to be a caster for another company , he makes casts for his own minuatures for small table top game companies to use as thier product , and he has shown me how its done (he doesnt do that BTW).If demand for something like this goes up , these guys kick in and eventually bring the market value down.

Im sorry, I have forgotten to put my point of view in several post before. Unless Robotech is to make a story re-telling the beginning up untill before the Robotech Masters arrival to Earth, there is no need for Harmony Gold to use Macross products in a project. Pretty much anything at the time of the launch of the Pioneer mission has that equippment out of date and pretty much retired if not relegated to Second or Third line forces, therefore a footnote in the series equipmentwise, just as the F-4 Phantom II , the A-7 Crusader , the M-113 troop carrier and the M-60 MBT are today in the U.S. arsenals.

Ummmmm, it does make sence for them to use bits of Mospeada and Sentinels for thier future project. The continuation of Robotech timelines from the end of episode 85 (if you decide to have a project set in time approximate of ep' 85) is the return of the Robotech Expidionary Force following the Invids depature from Earth. That force constisted of the forces of the Pioneer mission which was in the Sentinels and was assisted by elements of the aliens they helpep in pushing the Regents Invid forces back from Tirol and the surrounding systems. Yes Robotech II did fail to come out as a carton , but it did manage to come out in script form in books and comics, its a reasonable point for Shadow Chronicles to have come from. The application has been less than desired, mostly due to less than exempliary planning and marketing.

It doesnt blow up youre arguement, just kinda add to the notion of different levels of fandom. Kinda softens it.

Some people like how Bob Dylan sings too ( I dont think either can sing though.) . Ewwww Bob Dillan singing Robotech songs NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwww its in my head now!!!!!!!!!! Tuuuuuuuuu beeeee in luuuuuuuuUUUUUUv!!!

Who needs a re-release of the unseens? Some of us have 23 Warhammers tucked away.... somewhere.... and might re-emerge if I get time to play. And we all have a copy of Heavy Metal, right?

Who did they have driving that thing? Motor Trends "Pony Car War" test had a stock Camaro SS skidpad of .90g and I believe Car and Driver had it at .88g! The supercharger adds some weight, but not that much! Did they screw with the suspension purely for straightline? That 12.2 quarter is pretty good though. That skidpad cant be that far off from the rest without something being really off.