Macross GURU

Here is an early drawing of the VF-11 (I think) that remarkably resembles the YF-24. This is scanned from Kawamori's design works book.

I was just thinking that the YF-24 looks like a VF-25 with a F/A-22 delta wing, or correctly, the VF-25 is a YF-24 with a variable geometry swing-wing (the swing-wing is so passe, but fits with the 25th anniversary looking like the VF-1).

Yeh it was an old subject that I somehow ended up casting raise undead. Bugger, a posting zombie... is there a cleric in the forum?

Looks to me like several Ultra High Frequency (UHF) radio antenna, Aegis radar, and a large OT radar array. Edit: Additionally I think the engines of the carrier are human built with pieces of OT which may also double as gravity generators, perhaps the AFOS activated the gravity generating capability of the generator. I gather the Asuka has superior maneuvering by throwing the mass of the vessel around using a form of mass effect. I recently read the tech from the game 'Mass Effect' which made me think of OverTechnology and how anti-grav drives could be used for maneuvering by allowing the ship to "fall" into the desired direction of travel.

The reason I say this is because of the word Nova on Kawamori Shoji's earlier design work.

It just occurred to me that Shinsei Industries loosely translates to Nova Industries, 'shinsei' being 'new star' respectively perhaps also mean Nova. Of course this is a mere guess.

The Queadluun-Rau has impact cannon boobs... Perhaps the Zentradi have beaten them to it?

Does anyone have a translation of the VF-36 Astore page?

lol yeh!? So not bad for a guy using a 15 year old program and ms paint lol. All my good software died with my last HD crash. I have a couple color renditions coming up. Thank you March and MC. Does anyone have any pictures of the Black Rainbow VF-17S colors from VF-X2?

March, I modified three of the VF-19P pics to represent what think the colony export edition of the 19P looks like with out the Lawrence equipment. Here they are... What do you think? [note: I did my best with the crummy progs I had available, there are a few lines I need to clean up ]

Why do I get this funny feeling that big west is trying to unofficially tie the Macross chronology with Macross II. Is this a retcon, or just my imagination? It appears that the U.N. Spacy has also been reorganized into the NUNS in Macross II as well as the UNS being reorganized into NUNS in Macross F, huh, how odd...

Even if you shut down every system there is still radiated heat because of the pilot. Any craft in space must dispose of waste heat through radiation (hence the black tiles on the Shuttle), that includes the waste heat of the pilot, batteries, basic systems of the craft and so on. Since space is a vacuum there is no way to dissipate heat by conduction because there isn't any medium to conduct the heat energy, hence the only way to dispose of heat in empty space is via radiation. The second law of thermodynamics. (edit) I apologize for the double post.

Oh, shoot! I neglected to think of that! Yes the fighters would have tremendous issues with being easily seen in the IR not only with thrust but the radiator alone will shine brilliantly. Yes you'd be right, that the stealth feature would be an atmosphere only feature, makes sense. Bloody Macross Magic making me forget physics. LOL So, I figure that the stealth is good for insurgent strikes on planetary installations etc. (edit) Additionally I figure that is why the VF-1 doesn't have stealth coatings or electronic systems is because the UN figured the fighter would be used more in space. Kind of a ret-con but still it does make sense.

I wouldn't put it past the engineers of Macross to find a new radar absorbent coating in attempts to fuddle overtechnology radar systems. I doubt it would matter if it were in an atmosphere or in space, radar behaves somewhat the same in both environments except that the properties of the atmosphere create resistance thus increasing attenuation of signal. Microwaves function very well in space. They measure between 1mm to 1m, or .3Ghz to 300Ghz. Gravitational wave radar would have to measure fluctuation in the curvature of spacetime which propagates as a wave as well as the gravitational radiation which is the energy transported by these waves. (This was discovered in 1993). And I guess fold radar functions along similar a method as gravitational radar except by detecting fold waves and their distortion of space time. So, perhaps stealth systems may be somewhat ineffective.

Is it a tractor beam? or an illuminated cable?

Then it must not have passive stealth, for the angular radar cross section of the -171 appears to not only confirm this but the use of external stores would cause the -171 to light up like a Christmas Tree on radar. As for the internal missiles, I don't know how I missed it during my first analysis. Oh well, I suppose I must rest as I have been up to my neck in Macross mecha and ship data for the last few days. I just re-modified my Megaroad 01 stats to reflect the data from Macross Chronicles. It is handy to have Japan Town just around the corner here in SF.

Now for something completely different... Does the VF-171 have passive stealth? Also from what I can analyze form its art it looks as if the VF-171 doesn't have the micro-missile launchers its predecessor had.

Well, that cinches it then, the Megaroad gets ARMD carriers, back to rpg stat building.

Does the Megaroad have ARMD docked to it? It appears that it does.

Yeh, I'm not sure if my B&W Macross II images are up to your standards but you could always take a look. Yes I am aware of the 'not complete data' on the other fighters and ships. I do have high standards on my RPG statistics and tend to design things as close as I can using the VF-1 benchmark. I'm partially relying on stats by Dave Deitrich and Daniel Henwood. My stats are more of an update to the former. I have been Role Playing for over ten years, so I know my way around the formula. I will greatly appreciate any input towards my site. I would appreciate any input from 'sketchley' as well, as I have seen his site and his art on 'DA'. Sorry it took me a while to reply, I've been busy knee deep in data and RPG stats. I have just completed the updated SDF-2 Megaroad. much is still similar to Deitrich's design however it has been corrected to 1600m and I have roughly calculated its beam, and height. After getting the deluxe edition of the RT: RPG I may need to change the rules for the PPB. I may not since the original PPB works perfectly enough.

I had an interesting thought, in episode 16 two VF-25 (Alto and a CF?) are towing Vajra using some sort of, either energy based or solid illuminated, tow line.

Thank you March, I will give both credit and links to your site , A note about weapons, though, I already have a lot of line art from various other sources in the past, many are no longer in existence on the web, so I do want to have an example of the weapons or maybe just the gunpod. However, I will keep the image usage to a minimum as I want fans to visit your site for more references. I'll do the hosting for everything on my site because this will help keep our bandwidths low. I am trying very hard to keep my data as close to the current released information yet I feel I may need to use a little conjecture for some stuff the isn't known completely as of yet. I will note these educated guesses, in my stats. BTW Do you know what ARMD stands for? I read somewhere about 4 years ago it stood for 'All Rigged Military Deployment.' I noticed you don't have the VF-2JA, GERWALKroid, Metal Siren, and Destroids in the Macross II section. Somewhere I have line art for them but I'm not sure which hard drive it is lol. Have no worry, I will not use any M.M.M. data for any financial gain, as I only intend to make my site for fans who wish to run a dedicated Macross related game or at least not be limited to 'Robotech' canon with the new edition.

Actually those are only vernier rockets, not sure of the power source, maybe from the bypass off the main engines or perhaps liquid fuel, none-the-less are not main reaction turbine engines. VF-1 uses 2 FF2001 turbines. Edit: forgot the bit about he bypass.

Yeh I figured that it wasn't a VF-2SS mainly because of the cannards and the three engine design. As you say, it my be a throwaway design. I can see why people would think it was a VF-2SS but only from the intake-manifold. On another note: I love your site March! the MMM is beautiful. I've been using the site for practical data for conversions, from the old Palladium "Robotech" stats already on the net, to be compatible with the new "Robotech" RPG. Much has changed. I cannot put them on the web yet due to needing permission from various sources. I would be greatly honored if I could use your imagery and background information for my stat conversions. I would of course give you credit for your work.

So, has anyone figured out what this fighter is? I call it the VF-99 "Fanboy Teaser" It appears to be a small fighter with a single 2D vectored thrust nozzle. (Edit: I wanted to add more to my pics.)