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Yep... the VF-1 Super pack thrusters generate 2,353 kN of thrust in comparison. Liquid fuelled rockets would be my guess, given that we see the Booster pods ejected many times in the animation during combat even when the other Super parts are retained-- perhaps the pods are ejected once they are empty of fuel/missiles as their mass then becomes a liability, especially when rolling.

It is snap together, you don't need to use glue. The model kit looks great with just the stickers applied, although some panel lining would really enhance the looks.

I've no idea how well the clearcoat will adhere to the plastic-- I don't think anyone has actually tried it yet. You could be the first

Yep but decaling it is going to be such a pain... With my previous kits I just used the stickers

Hallelujah! I'm definitely getting this for sure.

I guess Sheryl really is more popular than any of the other characters. Or maybe her fans are just more active

Looks like the 1/100 is going through the opposite process from the DX toy--- the DX toy was panned in the discussions here, but sold spectacularly. On the other hand, the 1/100 made pretty good impressions here but the sales seem to be dismal, if shops are already giving things like discounts on it. That doesn't bode well for the VF100s lineup. Looks like 1/60 is the way to go then.

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Next Up, Super VF-25F. First picture is of the cover for the manual, I'm so tempted to photoshop Appale Genki's on, but don't have the photoshop skills. Super parts are designated SPS-25S/MF-25 The first thing I noticed is that the manual seems to say that the Super parts allows for a maximum of 15Gs of acceleration more over the normal VF-25F. This needs confirmation as a later part of the passage mentions something about 30Gs, although I don't know the context of that. The section titled SPS-25S/MF-25 Basic set lists the various things that make up the Super parts, but the only thing I can get from that is that there is some form of CWIS with the Super parts. In fact it mounts 2 x CWIS systems The section on the next page title SPS-25S/MF-25 in red seems to list the various systems of the Super parts. I think it lists the missile loadout of the shoulder mounted missile pack, but I cant be sure. Anyway, there are: 4 x SLE-7A 1 x SLE-3A 10 x SLE-1C which matches the 15 missiles shown in the missile pack above it. I think it also says there are 5 reloads for each missile but that seems a little unlikely and will require proper translation. The total additional thrust provided by the Super parts is 2940 KN (Compared to 1620 KN for each engine, or 3240 KN total for the standard fighter) Edit: From this and the 15G figure mentioned earlier I calculate the weight of the fully loaded Super VF-25F to be 14,838 kg. Calculations as follows: Total thrust= 2940+3240 = 6180 kN = 6.306 x 10^5 kg Acceleration= 27.5+15 = 42.5 Gs Therefore, total weight= 6.306 x 10^5 / 42.5 = 14, 838 kg. Note: We don't know the weight of the Super parts themselves since we don't know the loaded weight of the plain VF-25F, only the empty weight. The wing fence mounted pods seem to mount or possess the following systems: CIMM-3A x 2 CWIS : HMM-5A x2 (I'm thinking the HMM refers of High Maneuver Missiles, which means that the Close in Weapons System uses HMMs to intercept incoming missiles?) There is some character data for the Bridge bunnies and Bobby as well. Well thats as far as I can go with my limited understanding. Have fun with the pictures! Maybe someone with a scanner can post all these properly. Further observations: The boxart for the Super pack clearly shows that all three ports on the front end of the wing fence boosters are missile launchers. This means that when Luca mounts the Fold-communication system for controlling his Ghosts, it replaces one of the missile launchers, so he would be left with 5 missile launchers on the wing pods.

Nope no sheryl decal... oh well. Yep I've got a VF-25F coming in from HLJ as well which will be my Sheryl VF One massive downer for the casual builder for the RVF-25---- the ghosts only come with the decal sheet, not a sticker sheet!! Which seems to be a pretty cheap thing to do, considering that they already provided a special base for the ghost and an addition stand to latch onto the SMS action base. The Super VF-25F boxart has Brera's VF-27. I hope they release a VF-27 kit soon! I would be on that like white on rice or stink on cheese

Alright, I've just received my Super VF-25F and RVF-25, and as requested, here are the pictures of the interesting parts. I can only understand some of the Kanji and the numbers, but I'll post all the info I gleaned as well and some kind translators will hopefully work on the rest. First the data on the QF-4000(AIF7S) Ghost. Both designations are equivalent and acceptable. If I had to guess, I'd say that QF-4000 would be the NUNS designation and AIF7S was either specific to Frontier or SMS. It has a SA/A-2045 FCS2 system for its artifical intelligence/Fire control system. Apparently made by NEC/L.A.I. It is 9.85m long, weighs 5700 kg, and has a G-limit of 24.5G. Edit: This is really heavy! The Ghost is 1/2 the size and anything from 1/4 to 1/8th the volume, yet it weighs 2/3rd as much as the VF-25--and it doesn't even have to have things like the ISC or Life support or a cockpit. 2 x P&W FF-2038A engines which generate 55,000kg of thrust each which gives it a thrust to weight of 19.2 Edit: I have no idea why they give the thrust here in kg when it is given in kN for the rest of the Macross Frontier valks. Anyway, for quick reference, 55,000 kg = 539 kN, which gives a total thrust of 1078 kN. In comparison, one engine of the VF-25 produces a thrust of 1620 kN) Max speed in atmosphere at 10,000m of Mach 5.0+. As for weaponry, it has 2 x ROV-25 25mm beam machine guns, and 2 x 2 other types of weapons which I can't translate There is also mention of the VF-171 several times in the description, I guess it was designed to work with the VF-171 first and was then adapted for the VF-25. Next onto the RVF-25 itself. More references to the VF-171, and under the Cockpit heading there is some mention of 20th century but I don't know what exactly. Also something else about High G and Ex-gear but I assume that was already covered. The interesting part is the AP-SF-01+ system, which should be the ELINT/Battle Management System. It was developed in 2048, and can target up to 128 targets simultaneously (which doesn't seem like much of a step up from current technology, to tell the truth). It also controls the QF-4000/AIF7S Ghosts, and can control up to 6 at one go. The radome itself has a separate description from the AP-SF-01+ system, but I can't deciper anything there. All in all, I'd say that the Ghost fighters and the Sensor systems look to be a previous generation radar/unmanned fighter system grafted onto the VF-25 platform. The number of references to the VF-171 seems to support this point, although we will need a better translation before we can be sure. Enjoy the pictures. I hope they're not too blurry for translation, as I've already used the macro mode on my old 5.0MP Canon. Further observations: The ELINT fin leaves no space for the gun-pod on the centreline--- in the anime I would presume that the gunpod would be offset to the right or left arms (like how Alto mounted both the gunpod and the sniper rifle in the final episode)

Yea I know.. spanwise it's about the same as the YF-19, but lengthwise its more like the VF-1.

I just received my order from Rainbowten-- Super VF-25F, RVF-25 and 4 SMS action bases. I'm pissed that they didn't mould the canopy for the RVF-25 in the correct color when they were so clearly able to! I'm faced with a difficult choice now... should I build Luca first, or Super Alto?

Amen to that! My VF-25F already looks battle weary from all the paint scratches--- I'm actually thinking of weathering it to make it look used

Yep, it looks like the size wasn't ret-conned afterall. Which is actually great! The YF-19 is a little too big for me.. I prefer the size of the VF-1 as a toy to play with.

That is fast! Was this the bundle pack and did you have any trouble with the instructions? My order from Rainbowten is stuck in customs! Edit: Cancel last message. My order just arrived! Now I'm stuck choosing between building Super Alto and Luca first.

The white neck base does look better. Any idea why Yamato went with a grey neck base?

:/ PVC again? I thought Bandai would learn better after their VF-25S head lasers. It's not like the gun is a thin fragile part where bendy-ness would be good.

Ok... so Louise was was hit with red (fake?) GN particles, and Ribbons manipulated her genes to make her an innovator, while Setsuna was also hit with fake (red?) GN particles and the true GN particles somehow caused the exact same mutations to occur to make him an innovator as well? That still doesn't explain how Ribbons was able to manipulate Louise's genes. It also doesn't explain how Tieria's doppleganger knew that Setsuna was undergoing innovation and the whole awakening process. Isn't it more likely that Ribbons deliberately got Setsuna shot with the fake GN particles, and that the fake GN particles are all that is necessary for the mutation? It would explain why, for example, Setsuna was shot in the arm rather than the head, and also why when the Innovators infiltrated the Ptolemaios they stole the 00 raiser rather than 00 itself.

Thanks for the links. Looks like the closed gunpod is really bent out of shape.. That sucks. I wonder if there is a way to make it straight. Other than that, I wish that Bandai had included a stand.

Hmm... could the minor detail part mean that this release of the VF-25S will be the movie version rather than the TV version? Also, with the new landing gear hatch design, I guess the Armoured pack won't be back-compatible with the current DX toy, which is a pity. Looks like there won't be a neck or laser re-design.

In fact your own argument reinforces CR's argument about the proportional effect--- if, as you say, the animation doesn't suggest anything has changed, perhaps nothing has--- in fact the pilot is still feeling anything up to 9+ Gs--- the only difference being that while the pilot experiences the same amount of Gs as he would have in a previous series, the VF is actually pulling 27.5 Gs. Pulling in an analogy here, it is like the time-dilation effect of fold drives-- the people going through the fold experience time at a different rate than the universe outside the fold. In the same way, the pilot (and cockpit) experiences a different g force than the aircraft. If, as you say, that there is no sensation of acceleration when the ISC is active, we couldn't explain why the pilots would be animated feeling the effects of acceleration when pulling their maneuvers, since if there is no acceleration they might as well be playing around with an X-box. Sketchley: You could wait for the relevant data to come out in the Macross Chronicles and then work from there, unless there is some hidden bibliography of the Compendium that nobody knows about.

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Well, if you like building model kits, its like assembling a new kit every time you change modes

Great review, and it's glad to see the pics! The back of the legs should really be higher in fighter mode though-- Else the model kit would end up looking like the DX toy! It also looks like the bottom of the wing glove needed to be replaced to accomodate the bulge of the leg Super parts, so why would the legs still hang so low? Finally, the weight of the Super pack pods should weigh the wings down and solve the dihedral problem I guess? I'm really loving the thrusters moulded in bronze! Are the instructions that hard? I'm sure the VF-25 assembly would be harder than assembling the super parts? Also, anybody with the VF-25F Super pack bundle? Is the instruction manual different or do they just give the normal VF-25F manual and the Super parts manual? It would really suck in that case.