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It's probably going to cater to someone, but TMI. It makes you wish the people he's helping actually throw him, and those like him, a bone one of these days out of pity.

So when would willing suspension of disbelief stop working if The Sentinels was made complete? With the sequels, prequels, and side stories supposedly being made for Robotech back in the 80s, HG would have told people ANYTHING to keep people interested as they do now. I also argue whether or not Robotech part II, III, IV, Google were actually planned and not them trying to sell people a more epic storyline that could have been rather than what it really was; creative editing.

I agree. Robotech did serve it's purpose, but if HG is not going to attempt to do anything significant with it, it should go away for the sake of progress. http://anime82.blogspot.com/2010/05/shining-momentsthe-intergalactic-holy.html '> http://anime82.blogspot.com/2010/05/shining-momentsthe-intergalactic-holy.html @ 1:35:15

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Geez, did anyone in Hollywood not pay attention to this? BBC did recently, but their version went over the top even for Robin Hood by the end of it.

I see it as more of their desire for the footage in Zero, Plus and others rather than everything else that's there in the shows. In particular, the Valkyries blowing crap up and Roy Focker. Because, among other things, there aren't enough references to a certain addictive plant fuel source and overly pro-military messages, but too much interpersonal and (probably) environmental themes in either. But, creative editing is a hallmark of Robotech.

To me, that sounds very broad, since there are anime that came out with similar stories, concepts and feeling, before and after the originals came out. Mospeada was one of them. But let me guess, did they want to add them to the Robotech universe?

So Robotech was either really groundbreaking or just another show opening the floodgates for anime in the history of the anime distribution industry. Is it possible to just be realistic about the whole situation, especially considering where it is these days? People are forgetting that those behind it were not particularly talented enough to make, or maintain, a franchise by themselves. They're only good for "translating" foreign material for people's consumption and personal gain.

I have an issue of Animerica which had Robotech/Macross as a highlight on the cover page. I think each got a page or two of discussion by the writer as well as some comparisons like production time-lines. Even there Robotech had a hard time getting out of the 85 episodes, with stuff listed as canceled or unknown status. I think focus was more on Macross, because it took time to mention the upcoming Macross Zero OVA near the end of the article and, well, for showing more life despite being legally restricted to the readership.

But isn't the Four Kids Entertainment example the foregone continuation of the trend started off by HG, Carl Macek, and the like from a business standpoint? That they just cut a lot more corners to make the business viable and get them more money?

A couple of months ago, in a local theater I saw bins with 3D glasses probably going to be used for some new kiddy movie at the time. I didn't know that kind of stuff is back in style. I really feel old now.

In the past I've gotten mixed signals regarding what medium HG has been trying to affiliate themselves with when it comes to Robotech. You know, anime, Western sci-fi, whatever medium and demographic that would be interested by their promotional material. I think he helped create companies that handled anime as cost effectively and with maximum market penetration as possible for profit. He directly influenced companies like Four Kids Entertainment not those that showed anime with more respect.

The recent iPhone debacle. http://www.pcworld.com/article/194590/appl...a_timeline.html

I'm not going to comment about how good Mospeada or Southern Cross were. The point is, regardless of quality, the animation was pretty much the only reason HG cared to use them for anything (aka raw material). Heck, if they really mattered to them they would have not screwed up so much of the actual plot lines. And to add, good job ruining Komilia, even if her real story was told in a video game that may or may not be official due to Macross II connections or something.

That only counts for the Macross portion, the rest was screwed around with to make the whole thing fit. Would it be wrong for me to say that if Macross was released in the 90s, everything would have been less embarrassing compared to what happened to Robotech post original series? There would be no Sentinels, 3000, and maybe Shadow Chronicles, but those ended up being dead ends in the grand scheme of things anyway, so very little loss. But people value the novels and comics, so I don't really know.

English is a required course for most Japanese schools, right? I don't know if that has anything to do with the spoken English in the movie, but at least some people in the original intended audience may have understood it. Also, since the major Earth milais the U.N., multinational forces may have been normal.

Are you sure about that? It did make him an icon for an entire industry, and maybe one of the only people cited as a creator rather than, or in addition to, a director, voice actor or other staff normally involved in just an English version of any foreign show. And remember, at first he genuinely wanted to bring Macross to the states. It's just that somewhere down the line he decided to make a lot of unfortunate compromises and never looked back.

Considering the difficulties Macross has recently, shouldn't the criticism for fansubs and the like for this franchise and others, being not legally and economically viable for people to access, be exempted? Of course, people in Japan and other places bought enough of the the first volumes on Blu-Ray to be significant. And then there's the merchandise that sells pretty well, so maybe it's an exception to what other products and the entire industry is facing as well. EDIT: Forget it, mecha shows are mostly an exception to this. But the fansub thing should still be considered as an alternative to buying direct, right?

Why are you putting words into my mouth and interpreting it in a whole different direction? I sure didn't say translating all the Macross material out there and freely letting people have at it was a good idea. In fact, I was not disputing that part of any plan; hosting a site with that information, like M3, is a good thing. But I don't see why you're dragging that into the discussion, since we've all been taking about stuff like that laundry list of secondary Robotech material and etc. you mentioned. There wasn't anything out there NOT written in English for Robotech, right? And Wookiepedia, is that not already just a Wikia, that you referred as if there's a difference, for Star Wars? You don't want to make one as expansive for Robotech, but you're still going to use the same/similar service to make one more accessible to the average joe? And actually, I was being analytical about the whole thing, and probably realistic too. You seem to be the one who's taking this very personally.

That is not a fair comparison. The most Macross material was never translated, and may never will be officially, into English. People definitely need help when it comes to that, even if they do spend the money for it or download it. All Robotech material, made by HG and etc., is already in English and digital copies of all of it can be found and downloaded, from the artbooks, which include much of the information HG is going to ever give about the franchise, to all the comic books and probably novels. They also did shove them down people's throats instead of official Macross material for years. Unless a more balanced explanation for everything Robotech is needed, the amount of work someone needs to do by themselves would be Googling them, using bittorrent or other downloading service to get them, reading them and making their own conclusions. Yes, buying them legit is another option, but people know what I think about that.

What's funny is that I remember back in 2008 when a certain anime series a lot of people here like came around and did very well by itself and through it's merchandise. You WOULD think that something as successful as that would get the attention of the anime distribution industry to make money and save the industry. You would also think the legal and money problems would be reconsidered because of the benefits it would have for everyone. Heck, they even reported about it a number of times how successful it was. Instead, it was completely ignored, leaving less quality stuff for people's consumption sometime later, like Special A. I wonder if some courage for this would have saved ADV? I don't think anime is dying, but I can't say the same for it's foreign distribution industry.

Remember this open letter to the anime industry? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2007-11-25

Didn't the video game industry go through the same thing before The Crash? Good thing companies like Nintendo, or probably just Nintendo at the time, came along raising the bar. Anime will likely survive and force the industry to put more quality into what they make, if it actually wants to collectively. I don't know about the illegal downloads part of it though, it's complicated. From the distributor side, some of it is their fault for being picky and slow about which titles to invest in. I'd heard some choices are made based on how profitable the titles can be for the company if they release it instead of quality. Dubs also make it more complicated, yet probably more accessible and profitable for them. But I think it's a more legitimate problem for the companies actually making anime.

Hmm, I did not know you could do this in Halo 3 multiplayer. @ 3:45

Actually, most of the answers is privileged information you have to pay extra money for. But there's less incentive to now that the novels and comics don't count. So you're right, no one knows, even HG these days. But if you're interested in that, they're still giving you the chance to buy them, even though they're non-canon. So for all we know, the current situation with Robotech in general could be totally acceptable to HG profit-wise, despite fans and other people saying otherwise. It works from a business perspective. But for the disgruntled people the strategy made who treat this as serious business, too bad. Keep hoping for real attention from them when they feel like it.