eyesonme78 Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 what is the value of VF-1s now ? anyone any idea? saw one piece in ebay selling at USD$175, that's madness isn\'t it ?
Onimusha-shin Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 (edited) that's for non-Asian residents i guess. it is rather on the high side. personally, i'm still looking for one and hope not to pay more than US$125 for one. Edited July 24, 2004 by Onimusha-shin
Renato Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 What VF-1S are you talking about? Which company, what year, what scale?
scand Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 (edited) I'm assuming you mean the 1/48 and 130$ is the max I would pay for it. Just say no to scalpers! Nothing burns me more than over-inflated prices on valkyries. Edited July 24, 2004 by scand
eyesonme78 Posted July 24, 2004 Author Posted July 24, 2004 true enough, but then... well what to do? i am just so frustrated for VF-1S such a valk the prices just shot up...
hirohawa Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 Any possibilty of a third run of fokkers from Yamato?
Protoplast Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 that's for non-Asian residents i guess. it is rather on the high side. personally, i'm still looking for one and hope not to pay more than US$125 for one. Well.. to be fair.. the retail price is 14,800 yen, that's $134 Add to the cost of delivery from Asia to the USA, should be another $10-15. So it's fair to say about $150 is a fair price. Prices were fairly "low" in the past 1-2 yr because the economy sucked and sellers had to use lower prices to make sales. Now the economy has rebounded somewhat and the prices will follow... Go figure..
Ensign G Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 should one pay more for the 1st edition or is the value of both the 1st and 2nd editions the same?
Zentrandude Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 should one pay more for the 1st edition or is the value of both the 1st and 2nd editions the same? in a collective perspective you proly pay more for the 1st edition 1:48 roy if its in the box unopen.
Blaine23 Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 Lol... it's like the Low-Viz insanity all over again... "What?!? The VF-1S that I haven't bought for 2 years is now overpriced because people bought them all?!?" "Then, obviously, I must have one now!"
Godzilla Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 Well, it is according tinsc. He set the price. It is up to you whether or not to buy it from him at that price.
do not disturb Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 Well, it is according tinsc. He set the price. It is up to you whether or not to buy it from him at that price. yup. i've seen tisinc since i started collecting macross and he always has the highest prices on the net. he uses the ebay "bluebook" to set all his prices. as soon as anything he has get sold for more, his prices follow. i don't get why people have a problem with "scalpers". they're just like sellers only they bought more into a given item that they didn't sell before. tisinc probably bought a buttload of them, sold half and got stuck with the inventory for months. now everyone wants one(or 2) so he raised the price accordingly. what would you do if you had a discontinued item? sell it for a $100 when everyones paying $200?
Hurin Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 Lol... it's like the Low-Viz insanity all over again..."What?!? The VF-1S that I haven't bought for 2 years is now overpriced because people bought them all?!?" "Then, obviously, I must have one now!" Yes. There is some of that. However, some of us fell behind on our valkyrie collecting due to car repairs or brief spans of sanity where we decided to pay off our credit cards instead of buying toys. My own experience is that I had one already. But it's my all-time favorite valk and I might want to customize one and/or send it away for some detailing. Some day when I'm independently wealthy. So, I decided that I wanted two. But, it wasn't an urgent enough need to use my credit card or risk the (now live-in) girlfriend's wrath. I would routinely check out VE and TMP to make sure it didn't look like the VF-1S Roy was selling out anytime soon. Then. . . boom. Kevin was out. . . and TMP never got its shipment. So I watched Toy Castle and said: "I'll buy from him as soon as the next paycheck comes in. . ." Boom, he's out now too. So, yeah, some people just want what they can't have. But some of us are also just too slow on the draw. No big whoop either way. They're just toys. Wonderful, wonderful toys. . . H
Hurin Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 (edited) Any possibilty of a third run of fokkers from Yamato? Obviously, this isn't authoratative, but here's a poll I did a few weeks ago about this very question: Poll. The results: 36 thought it would probably be re-released. 38 said that it probably wouldn't. As for the topic of this thread (the value of the VF-1S). Don't worry about what everyone else is willing to pay. The value of the VF-1S Roy is exactly the amount you're willing to pay. If you're unwilling to pay what the "scalpers" are charging. . . I think it's just time to hope that they re-release them and they become plentiful again. H Edited July 26, 2004 by Hurin
Blaine23 Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 (edited) Yes. There is some of that. However, some of us fell behind on our valkyrie collecting due to car repairs or brief spans of sanity where we decided to pay off our credit cards instead of buying toys. True dat. I totally agree, people should buy what they want to and what they can. I have no problem with people paying higher prices for rarer toys. That's their decision to make. I just thought I'd point out something... if the LowVis went up in price and the VF-1S went up in price... You guys really ought to consider buying the DYRL 1A's (if you can find a Max) while you can. Or expect to be singing this song again in a few months. The VF-1J's will follow. And right now you can get those at a deal. Edited July 26, 2004 by Blaine23
GreenGuy42 Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 Lol... it's like the Low-Viz insanity all over again..."What?!? The VF-1S that I haven't bought for 2 years is now overpriced because people bought them all?!?" "Then, obviously, I must have one now!" *shrug* I wanted one, badly, but could not afford it at the time. I am a little incensed that I have to pay over 250 dollars for one, so I guess I'm out of luck.
Ignacio Ocamica Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 I only want Hikaru's VF 1S and I'm pretty sure there will be a second run!
rocco_77 Posted July 26, 2004 Posted July 26, 2004 Speaking of high prices... A guy at the SDCC had a Low Vis for sale... He was asking $375... I told him it was worth $300, but he didn't go for it.
do not disturb Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 wait for the re-release and be disappointed. the price will only go higher like everything else thats consider a collectible. i remember when soze was selling LV's for $155 plus shipping and i thought i was way steep and held off on getting my second. now look at me ---> pay $175 now or pay $300 later because a third run is highly unlikely IMO.
Hurin Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 wait for the re-release and be disappointed. the price will only go higher like everything else thats consider a collectible.  i remember when soze was selling LV's for $155 plus shipping and i thought i was way steep and held off on getting my second. now look at me ---> pay $175 now or pay $300 later because a third run is highly unlikely IMO. I think you're overlooking one slightly important factor when comparing the Low-vis and the VF-1S's future availability. One was definitely limited edition while one is clearly not. Feel free to peruse your own "FAQ." Of course, you could be right. There may not ever be any more 1Ses released. But pointing out the experience so many had with the Low-vis is utterly irrelevant to the current discussion about a non-limited edition valkyrie. H
do not disturb Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 hmmm.... went from $90 to $120 to $140 to $160 and now $175. i guess i have it all wrong.
Hurin Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 hmmm.... went from $90 to $120 to $140 to $160 and now $175. i guess i have it all wrong. Again, irrelevant. Your argument is that there will be no more VF-1S valkyries and that we should buy now because the price is only going to go higher. The "buy now" advice is only good if more won't be released. Yet, to back up your assertion that more won't be released, you point to a prior experience with a limited edition valkyrie. Feel free to make a valid argument about why you don't think they will release more of a valkyrie (even though they have done so before). But pointing to the low-vis (a clearly limited edition valkyrie) as evidence in this situation is ridiculous. I've already given your "response" more time than it deserves. To be honest, I'm not even sure how you could have written that with a straight face. Half the time I swear you just post something nonsensical while desperately hoping nobody will take the time to point out its inanity. I point something out. You respond with nonsense. Rinse, repeat. . . then you challenge me to fisticuffs. H P.S. If anyone else had posted: "Buy from the scalpers now! There will be no more! Do it nooooow". . . I'm pretty sure your keyboard would have burst into flames as you rushed to accuse them of "shafting other members so that they can get a hook up." Man, that's irony. P.P.S. I'm not going to harm this thread further (as we have harmed so many others) by pointing out to you (as always) that you have no valid point. Unless you can actually make a cogent post about how the low-vis experience has anything to do with why Yamato won't release more of any other type of valkyrie, I'll just simply ignore you. In other words, kindly start making a bit of sense. Otherwise, I'll consider you irrelevant, like your attempt at a point.
soze Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 (edited) i remember when soze was selling LV's for $155 plus shipping and i thought i was way steep and held off on getting my second. now look at me ---> pay $175 now or pay $300 later because a third run is highly unlikely IMO. Man... what if I was a punk and waited till now to sell all those Low-Vis I already sold!!! Dammit!!!!! It's all good, made many a MW members happy. Edited July 27, 2004 by soze
Hurin Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 (edited) members beware TROLL ALERT! Thanks for proving me right. As usual, you've got nothing. Later, H Edited July 27, 2004 by Hurin
Isamu Atreides 86 Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 members beware TROLL ALERT! Thanks for proving me right. As usual, you've got nothing. Later, H can y'all please not start this thing up again?
Ensign G Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 follow up question to my previous one, does the $175 price range pertain to the 1st or 2nd edition that is selling on ebay? thanks
Hurin Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 follow up question to my previous one, does the $175 price range pertain to the 1st or 2nd edition that is selling on ebay? thanks There's never really been much of a mark-up for the 1st edition ones. From what I've seen, they haven't been considered any more "collectible" than the 2nd edition. If anything, the 2nd edition is in more demand. I've sold two 1st editions. Both times, I marked mine down. H
do not disturb Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 holy a-hole alert. i'm not comparing anything to the LV, all i said was wait for the re-release and be disappointed. the price will only go higher like everything else thats consider a collectible. i remember when soze was selling LV's for $155 plus shipping and i thought i was way steep and held off on getting my second. now look at me --->  pay $175 now or pay $300 later because a third run is highly unlikely IMO hmmm.... went from $90 to $120 to $140 to $160 and now $175. i guess i have it all wrong so where am i comparing the two exactly? try taking some read comprehension classes pal. i gave an example of how i gave myself the shaft by not buying another LV(where no comparison was made) and stating how the price of the 1S has risen.....what am i wrong? can you find one for $90? $120? $140? $160? you can't can you? so what have you disproved? absolutely nothing. do you have some solid proof why the 1S will never reach the $300 mark one day? are you a fortune teller? do you have a crystal ball? can you see the future? i didn't think so, so your valid point would be an opinion and not a fact, right? kind of like my opinion which i don't consider a fact hence ending my statement with IMO which stands for "in my opinion". opinion not fact. again, some read comprehension would help. want another? how about they already re-released them. i'd say thats pretty valid reason for them not to release it a 3rd time wouldn't you say? what valk have they released a 3rd time or a 2nd? try none. only the 1A hikaru and the 1S roy were re-released/re-issued, only to fix them, no valk before them, no valk after them. these thing are called patterns, i see the price getting higher and higher, i see how yamato hasn't re-released anything as far as valks go. so these patterns would lead me to believe that a re-release is not likely again IMO. why exactly will there be a 3rd release? you're reasoning is? your proof is? something...anything that would prove your statement? thats right you got none! do you know somehow know what something is going to sell for in a month or even 2 years? what does your crystal ball say? so i ask again, what facts do you have to back up your statement? sorry but i'd follow patterns and trends in the market before the word of a moron who claims he can see into the future. for real now, can someone please ban this a-hole. all this individual does is troll troll and troll.....oh and troll. hes like the skid mark that won't wash out.
tom64ss Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 members beware TROLL ALERT! Thanks for proving me right. As usual, you've got nothing. Later, H can y'all please not start this thing up again? I second that.
do not disturb Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 members beware TROLL ALERT! Thanks for proving me right. As usual, you've got nothing. Later, H can y'all please not start this thing up again? I second that. i third it but this guys doesn't know when to quit. what can i do about it?
Hurin Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 My god! You actually attempted to address an argument (sorta)! Congratulations. So, since we're engaging in roll-reversal, shouldn't I just call you a troll now or challenge you to a fight. Nah. Let's look at what you said instead: so where am i comparing the two exactly? try taking some read comprehension classes pal. You say that there will be no more valks. Then immediately launch into your story about the low-vis and how its prices went up. Why did the low-vis prices go so high? Because we knew there would be no more. You are therefore linking, both logically and rhetorically, the experience of the low-vis, with what you anticipate will happen with the VF-1S. And, quite honestly, I find this attempt at backing out of what you were saying totally disingenuous. And it would be amusing if it weren't so obviously part of your long-established pattern. You say something (in this case, quite harmless). . . but when its silliness is pointed out to you, first you bristle. . . then, when cornered, lamely disavow ever really saying it. can you find one for $90? $120? $140? $160? you can't can you? so what have you disproved? absolutely nothing. Uh, did I ever say that the price hadn't gone up? Nope. My only point was that you have no reason to believe that they won't release more. And that telling a story about your low-vis experience was not relevant to the issue at hand. do you have some solid proof why the 1S will never reach the $300 mark one day? Did I say I did? The point here is that they definitely won't reach that mark if they release more of them. Moving on. . . kind of like my opinion which i don't consider a fact hence ending my statement with IMO which stands for "in my opinion". opinion not fact. again, some read comprehension would help. What would also help would be to not state your opinions in such and air of certainty ("wait for the re-release and be disappointed. the price will only go higher. . .") and then lamely trying to soften them after the fact by ending with "IMO." And now, finally, we get to the only part of your post that actually addresses anything of merit: Whether or not they will release any more VF-1Ses. Because, their price and availability are all related to that simple question which you seem hell-bent on obfuscating: how about they already re-released them. i'd say thats pretty valid reason for them not to release it a 3rd time wouldn't you say? Uh. . . no. I wouldn't. You really think that's logical? They have released more in the past. So they won't release them again? I would say that there is tiny shred of validity in that the prior release may have saturated the market. But that argument has already been addressed by others in the poll thread. Further, while it may indicate market saturation to you, it also indicates Yamato's willingness to re-release valkyries! Which, to my mind, at least cancels out your point when weighing whether a rerelease of the VF-1Ses is in our future. what valk have they released a 3rd time or a 2nd? try none. Actually, the Roy was released a second time. As for a third? Time will tell. Saying that it can't happen because it hasn't happened is just plain faulty logic. I don't think I need to explain to you (or anyone else) why. It's readily apparent to anyone who gives it a moment's contemplation. only the 1A hikaru and the 1S roy were re-released/re-issued, only to fix them, no valk before them, no valk after them. Well, I won't get after you for contradicting yourself much. Because you're obviously writing "hot and heavy" right now. But I will take issue with your contention that they re-released the 1A and the 1S "only to fix them." That's just silly. Do you really think they released them "only" so that those who already had the older ones would buy more? That's silly. Yes, some of us bought the newer ones and replaced our older ones. But to state that they only released them to "fix them" is just. . . false. these thing are called patterns So, let me get this straight, the pattern you see is: The VF-1S will only get more expensive just like the low-vis. But I don't mean to point out the low-vis. I'm just telling a story. Anyways, it'll get more expensive because they won't release more of them even though they have released more of them in the past. That is quite a pattern! why exactly will there be a 3rd release? you're reasoning is? your proof is? something...anything that would prove your statement? thats right you got none! do you know somehow know what something is going to sell for in a month or even 2 years? what does your crystal ball say? :rolleyes Well, if you'd bothered to read what I said, I merely said that your "opinion" that there would be no more is based on. . . nothing. Well, except a story about the low-vis which you now disavow. . . and ranting about prices going up as though that has anything to do with whether more will be released. But, if I did want to play devil's advocate and take the position that there will be more released, here goes: 1. It costs Yamato less to do another release due to economies of scale. 2. There is still demand for the 1Ses. (according to half those polled) 3. Yamato has shown willingness to release more of an in-demand item in the past. 4. Because this is still a live toy line, Yamato can be very flexible. so i ask again, what facts do you have to back up your statement?  sorry but i'd follow patterns and trends in the market before the word of a moron who claims he can see into the future. Addressed. for real now, can someone please ban this a-hole. all this individual does is troll troll and troll.....oh and troll. hes like the skid mark that won't wash out. Well, I'm not petty enough to ask for you to be banned. Besides, you always make sure to buy goodwill among your fellow MWers from time to time right after you call them all a-holes for having opinions and preferences that differ from yours. But, if for some odd reason I am banned for merely pointing out your poor, abusive, inflammatory, and (lamely) threatening behavior in the past, so be it. Can't really say that this would be a place worth visiting anyways. For the record though, I've never been warned by anyone about my (attempts at) conversations with you. Not once. And, in this case, this conversation has actually been completely on topic. We are discussing whether the VF-1Ses will continue to go up in price vis-a-vis whether more will be released. Here's a better idea. Rather than anyone getting banned, why don't you actually take time to think before you write something accusatory, insane, or nonsensical. Or, when someone asks what you mean by something or points out a flaw in your argument, you might actually, just once, say: "Yeah, I guess that doesn't make sense. My mistake" or "I was having a bad day and retract my accusations that you're all a-holes for having different ideas than me." H
Hurin Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 i third it but this guys doesn't know when to quit. what can i do about it? Oh puh-leaze. haterist, I was done. Then you posted your long-ass attempt at an argument. Stop trying to play the victim and "Mr. Nice Guy" when you perpetuate these things as much or more than anyone. It takes two. So if I don't know "when to quit". . . why don't you prove that you do? H
Drad Posted July 27, 2004 Posted July 27, 2004 I gotta say something. I usually don't. I let the sh_t fly and just watch. But not this time. Hurin, let it go already. I don't want to keep seeing this pop up again. And before you put up some long post about how haterist is wrong and juvenile or whatever, save it. This time, you started it. Don't bother sending PMs about how I'm suddenly a jerk either, because they'll be ignored. I'm not taking sides, and both of you are normally very cool contributors to this community, but please.. Enough already. Damn.
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