Apollo Leader Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 Time for a new aircraft thread. Since thread 4 was just abruptly shut down, I will repost the additional B-2 crash pictures I found.
David Hingtgen Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defen...mentId=blogDest Super Gripen's coming. Also, Iran has at least 6 Tomcats that are flightworthy, as of today.
Wolfman Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defen...mentId=blogDest Super Gripen's coming. Also, Iran has at least 6 Tomcats that are flightworthy, as of today. POS F-14A's, and downgraded from what was USN standard at that!
Lindem Herz Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 True, but Tomcats still. Anyway, weren't those supposed to be reengined with some russian engines, or at least there were plans to do something like that? (I'd love to see what a F-14 powered by a pair of Lyulka Saturn AL-37F could do)
twich Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 WOW, a B-2 crashing....that is a billion dollar mistake.....what happened? Twich
Holocause Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 Those things practically run by computers... the WinXP that was controlling the aelerons probably got a BSOD and they ended up with a US$2B bonfire.
the white drew carey Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 Those things practically run by computers... the WinXP that was controlling the aelerons probably got a BSOD and they ended up with a US$2B bonfire. No man, the upgraded the WinXP to Vista. That was the problem...
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 True, but Tomcats still. Anyway, weren't those supposed to be reengined with some russian engines, or at least there were plans to do something like that? (I'd love to see what a F-14 powered by a pair of Lyulka Saturn AL-37F could do) Tom Cooper debunked that, it never happened. The Tomcat fleet in Iran was never in shambles as much as the US media said it was.
Nied Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 POS F-14A's, and downgraded from what was USN standard at that! Someone's got old info...
David Hingtgen Posted April 17, 2008 Posted April 17, 2008 When footage of them flying in formation shows up on Youtube, you can bet a lot of USN people will still say "every Iranian Tomcat was rendered unflyable 20 years ago due to lack of tires".
Nied Posted April 18, 2008 Posted April 18, 2008 When footage of them flying in formation shows up on Youtube, you can bet a lot of USN people will still say "every Iranian Tomcat was rendered unflyable 20 years ago due to lack of tires". Speaking of which. The latest issue of International Air Power review is out and has an article on F-14s in the IRIAF by Tom Cooper and Farzad Bishop. From skimming it in Borders it looks like a lot of their book with a handful of new items, but I picked it up anyway. Once I get home from work I'll have a chance to actually read it, and I'll make sure to mention anything interesting once I do.
dizman Posted April 19, 2008 Posted April 19, 2008 Hey now a pelicans one helluva big bird and how old is the f-111 anyways? Im suprised the plane didnt take more damage myself. Good thing they got it home and everyone (except the pelican) is ok.
Holocause Posted April 19, 2008 Posted April 19, 2008 Is that nose cone made out of wood or carbon fiber? to my knowledge carbon fiber shatters not unfurls.
the white drew carey Posted April 19, 2008 Posted April 19, 2008 The caption for the 2nd picture says its fiberglass.
Apollo Leader Posted April 22, 2008 Author Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) When is the last flight of F-117's suppose to leave Holloman for Tonopah? Some sources indicate it was suppose to be yesterday while others have today as being the Nighthawk's ride off into the sunset. Speaking of Tonopah, I've been reading up the Constant Peg program and listened through the seminar that was given at the Air Force Museum last year. I had assumed they had operated that fleet of MiG-17's, 21's, and 23's from Groom Lake. Turns out they were actually using the set of hangars on the south end of Tonopah's base; the MiG's would fly during the daytime while the F-117's flew at night. Basing of the Constant Peg (US MiG's) and Senior Trend (F-117) was a joint package. http://www.fjphotography.com/constantpeg/index.htm http://www.flickr.com/photos/53995653@N00/...57601630296104/ As for the Iranian F-14's still flying, I would definitely go through the Constant Peg story of what it took to operate and maintian the US MiG fleet. It's probably a similar story for what has to be done to keep those aircraft flying after almost 30 years of no support from Grumman or any of the other contractors involved, but granted things are a little different since the Iranians did have US support for running and maintaining up to 1979. http://www.afa.org/magazine/april2007/0407peg.asp http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/av/lectures.asp Edited April 22, 2008 by Apollo Leader
David Hingtgen Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 http://www.alert5.com/2008/04/georgia-behi...ions-putin.html MiG-29 shoots down a UAV. (as in it's an international incident--not training)
David Hingtgen Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Really cool 787 article, worth reading for info about how composite planes are built alone. http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/fortun...tune/index.html
Shin Densetsu Kai 7.0 Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 What advancements does the Super Gripen have over the regular?
the white drew carey Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 What advancements does the Super Gripen have over the regular? Ummm... when it strips off its clothes, it has a blue uniform with a big yellow "S" on its chest underneath? I now yield the stage to David.
David Hingtgen Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Basically "more". Better radar(AESA)/avionics, more fuel, more weapons, more thrust. (It has the Super Hornet's engine now, instead of the Legacy Hornet's) A quick blurb I saw said it can supercruise with an air-to-air load. There's not really an official name for it yet. Gripen N, Gripen DK, Gripen Demo are all used. I like Super Gripen. The first one will likely be a test-bed for the increased-thrust mods for the F414, 25,000lbs probably. (They're 22,000lbs normally). Technically, it's just a normal Gripen modified with a bunch of new features that COULD be used for a future Gripen E/F. But you can bet the next country to order Gripens will want some/all of those features, and others will want to upgrade their current Gripens.
Nied Posted April 24, 2008 Posted April 24, 2008 Basically "more". Better radar(AESA)/avionics, more fuel, more weapons, more thrust. (It has the Super Hornet's engine now, instead of the Legacy Hornet's) A quick blurb I saw said it can supercruise with an air-to-air load. There's not really an official name for it yet. Gripen N, Gripen DK, Gripen Demo are all used. I like Super Gripen. The first one will likely be a test-bed for the increased-thrust mods for the F414, 25,000lbs probably. (They're 22,000lbs normally). Technically, it's just a normal Gripen modified with a bunch of new features that COULD be used for a future Gripen E/F. But you can bet the next country to order Gripens will want some/all of those features, and others will want to upgrade their current Gripens. I can't tell from the photos but does this one have the new wingroots/main gear Saab had proposed for the Super Gripen or are they just demoing the new engine and NORA?
David Hingtgen Posted April 25, 2008 Posted April 25, 2008 Dunno, I'm not familiar with the Gripen's design details. (I can tell a F-16C Block 30C from 30D, but not a Gripen prototype from production)
Nied Posted April 25, 2008 Posted April 25, 2008 They put enlarged wingroots on the Super Gripen and used them to house re-designed maingear and fuel, and then stuffed more fuel in the cavity opened up by moving the gear out. It also frees up enough room under the belly to replace the centerline pylon with two. Looking at some of the other roll out photos on Saab's website it looks like this is the full Super Gripen package, structural improvements and all.
David Hingtgen Posted April 27, 2008 Posted April 27, 2008 Kim Jong Il's been playing too much Ace Combat---underground runways/mountain tunnel runs: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle3822538.ece
David Hingtgen Posted April 27, 2008 Posted April 27, 2008 For everyone in the US, "Carrier" starts tonight on PBS. (If you're totally unaware of it, it's a new 10-hour documentary on the Nimitz)
Holocause Posted April 27, 2008 Posted April 27, 2008 Kim Jong Il's been playing too much Ace Combat---underground runways/mountain tunnel runs: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle3822538.ece Anxiously awaits his fleet of AirCarriers.
Vifam7 Posted April 27, 2008 Posted April 27, 2008 For everyone in the US, "Carrier" starts tonight on PBS. (If you're totally unaware of it, it's a new 10-hour documentary on the Nimitz) Thanks. I hope it's not a documentary with a slanted political view.
F-ZeroOne Posted April 27, 2008 Posted April 27, 2008 This is sickening. F14 Well, take heart that when the crusher meets the F-14s titanium wing-box assembly its probably going to lose quite a few teeth. By all accounts, that particular F-14 part was built.
David Hingtgen Posted April 27, 2008 Posted April 27, 2008 The first couple Convair 880's proved to be so tough to scrap, that the scapper took a loss on them. While F-14's have thinner skin, their structure's even tougher. (Convairs are the friggin tanks of the jetliner world--Elvis had one)
David Hingtgen Posted April 29, 2008 Posted April 29, 2008 SAAB has offered the Super Gripen to Norway as a counter to the F-35. However, the offer has a condition that requires Sweden to order/upgrade to the Super Gripen and help pay to develop the Super Gripen.
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