Are they going to reissue the 1/48 Low Viz or what

[Wicked Ace]

And, once again, I must remind everyone that nobody is forcing you to read any of this.

H

I think you and Dr. Clay need your own forum.

[EXO]

And, once again, I must remind everyone that nobody is forcing you to read any of this.

H

I think you and Dr. Clay need your own forum.

Yeah, get a room!

[Wicked Ace]

Yeah, get a room!

I'm serious, let these (and others) have an unmoderated "battle room" forum; it would help keep people's threads from being hijacked. I'd click on it often, but then again, I like Jerry Springer, so my sense of taste is highly dubious.

[Nani?!]

I tryed that once, it doesn't work

How did it not work? If you check the thread to which you are referring, I never said anything else!

Of course, you leave out the part where you PMed me and continued to press your point.

Everyone can have opinions. . . but if your opinion is crazy, ill-informed, or illogical, chances are I will express my opinion about your opinion. If you can't handle it, maybe discussion forums aren't for you.

H

I think the problem is that you express your opinion until everyone else gives up on theirs. I mean I'm surprised I haven't seen you put up a chart. C'mon man. Lighten up. We got you were saying the first time you said it. Twice!

Seriously Hurin.

You debate against people as if your life depended on it.

Quoting every segment of mine and other people's whole post is just sick.

And about this...

If you can't handle it, maybe discussion forums aren't for you.

Look at the response you're getting and see if maybe you're the one that should move on to a different forum.

Just chill dude.

You win, you're smart, and you're an outright d1ckhead. Get a girlfriend.

[Wicked Ace]

So are they going to reissue the 1/48 Low Viz or what?

[DrClay]

I tryed that once, it doesn't work

How did it not work? If you check the thread to which you are referring, I never said anything else!

Of course, you leave out the part where you PMed me and continued to press your point.

Everyone can have opinions. . . but if your opinion is crazy, ill-informed, or illogical, chances are I will express my opinion about your opinion. If you can't handle it, maybe discussion forums aren't for you.

H

thanks for proving my point, Hurin. Your link goes to a page that starts with you quoting me retracting my opinion. and then responding to it with long-winded scrutiny. Also, I'm glad that you acknowledge the fact that when others post opinions about MACROSS TOYS you respond with opinions about THEIR OPINIONS. If you can't handle discussing a subject without getting personal, maybe discussion forums aren't for YOU.

LOL. I have yet to see anyone give up on theirs

Anyone who wants to see someone give up on their opinion thanks to Hurin, click his link.

I think you and Dr. Clay need your own forum.

I tryed to PM Hurin and explain myself as to not bother anyone else with that discussion or be a drama queen, but he quickly degenerated to personal insults when he no longer was worried about moderators.

but, you're right! Hurin is going to type novels about how idiotic everyone else is for living no matter what I say, so this will be my last post in reference to him on this matter.

[Wicked Ace]

I tryed to PM Hurin and explain myself as to not bother anyone else with that discussion or be a drama queen, but he quickly degenerated to personal insults when he no longer was worried about moderators.

but, you're right! Hurin is going to type novels about how idiotic everyone else is for living no matter what I say, so this will be my last post in reference to him on this matter.

All kidding aside, I actually enjoy (a sick enjoyment mind you) reading the arguments on both sides of an issue, even if the argument is over a toy! However, I can see some getting really pissed when they post a question, and the thread goes umpteen pages full of mile-long quotes and arguments over arguably tangential topics. And, I still like my new forum idea.

[DrClay]

And, I still like my new forum idea.

my own forum.... I can see it now:

new thread in the Drclay only forum

will I get what I want?

I sure hope so

DrClay: Wouldn't it be neat?

DrClay:

Wouldn't it be neat

no

Moderator: This thread is too lame to continue..... LOCKED!!!!!

[Hurin]

thanks for proving my point, Hurin. Your link goes to a page that starts with you quoting me retracting my opinion. and then responding to it with long-winded scrutiny. Also, I'm glad that you acknowledge the fact that when others post opinions about MACROSS TOYS you respond with opinions about THEIR OPINIONS.  If you can't handle discussing a subject without getting personal, maybe discussion forums aren't for YOU.

LOL. I have yet to see anyone give up on theirs

Anyone who wants to see someone give up on their opinion thanks to Hurin, click his link.

I think you and Dr. Clay need your own forum.

I tryed to PM Hurin and explain myself as to not bother anyone else with that discussion or be a drama queen, but he quickly degenerated to personal insults when he no longer was worried about moderators.

but, you're right! Hurin is going to type novels about how idiotic everyone else is for living no matter what I say, so this will be my last post in reference to him on this matter.

Oh. . . my dear God. . . not once have I gotten personal here. Yet I'm now being called a dickhead by some. . . and now you, DrClay, are just plain starting to make stuff up.

DrClay. You have a faulty memory. I too suggest everyone go and read that thread. Especially the part where you "retract your argument." Funny, as you do so, you also disparage the average MW forum reader as being too stupid to understand your "deep thinking." Hardly the magnanimous gesture you make it out to be.

Then, of course, you claim that I was doing the same. . . and when I point out that you're plainly mistaken. . . you give up.

Ah, but then there's the PM you sent me where you still are trying to tell me that your idea is just too darn deep. . . and that I am incapable of grasping it.

So, how did I respond. . . I told you that you're not as special as you think your are. . . nor is your idea. If that's getting personal. . . sorry. But you can't tell everyone that they're too dim to understand your rather simple idea and then expect people to just sit and stare.

I'd be happy to post the PMs. . . but I'd never do so without your permission. But, at no point did I stoop to "personal insults" as you allege. Your characterization of our PMs borders on outright lying.

H

Edited February 5, 2004 by Hurin

[DrClay]

this will be my last post in reference to him on this matter.

[Hurin]

Also, I'm glad that you acknowledge the fact that when others post opinions about MACROSS TOYS you respond with opinions about THEIR OPINIONS.

Yeah, when those opinions are based on faulty information, bad logic, or other silliness. . . I'm going to point it out. Sue me. That's what arguments are.

This thread started as a debate over whether they would re-release the Low-Viz. I've stated my position. Now, some people have taken issue with my position. . . and I have defended it.

I fail to see why I need to stop defending my position. If I'm supposed to take a "let's agree to disagree" position, that's fine. But nobody has actually said anything that would lead to such a resolution. Rather, we have people obstinately entrenched on both sides. Yet, at least I address what the other side is saying.

It comes down to this: The side that says that Low Vises will be released again says nonsense like: "All Valkyries are Limited Production" or "Yamato never said they wouldn't release more Low Vizes" or "There is no difference between releasing more Hikarus and releasing more Low-Vizes."

Now, I address all those statements (and more). And if once, just once, one of you had actually directly addressed a counter-argument, I would have been happy to agree to disagree. But, nobody has. . . rather, you just start attacking me.

It's pretty sad, actually. I type quite a bit. . . and the response is to ignore any points I've made, fail to address them at all, and just restate the same position. And now, failing to come up with any rational counter-arguments, you're all just personally bashing me. Bravo for you guys. You're all so easy-going and laid back! Bully for you! The thing is though. . . you only make me more sure that you've got nowhere to go in your argument.

I'd be happy to agree to disagree. But nobody here has made a compelling case against anything I've said. And rather than try, you'd all just like to point and make fun of the guy who tried to give a good answer to this thread, and point out where other answers might be misleading and misinormed.

Congratulations.

H

[EXO]

Yet I'm now being called a dickhead by some. . .

That's just uncalled for...

I for one can't see your head...

[DrClay]

{looks on silently} Edited February 5, 2004 by DrClay

[Hurin]

You win

Wee! What do I win!?!

you're smart

Uh, thanks?

and you're an outright d1ckhead. Get a girlfriend.

My girlfriend also thinks I'm a dickhead. But she loves me anyways. . .

Thanks for the personal attack. It proves my point.

H

[Hurin]

{looks on silently}

Yeah, I'd be quiet too if I were you. You're bordering on outright lying now. I know you're lying. You know I know. And you know I can prove it.

H

[DrClay]

ok, ok, you win.

Edited February 5, 2004 by DrClay

[Hurin]

I tryed to PM Hurin and explain myself as to not bother anyone else with that discussion or be a drama queen, but he quickly degenerated to personal insults when he no longer was worried about moderators.

Well, I can't in good conscience post what youwrote to me. But I can post how I responded:

In response to you once again trying to say that I just didn't understand your (actually rather mundane) point, I addressed the substance of your question, and then said:

Look, I don't mean to be harsh: But you're not special. Your "idea" is not special. In fact, I find it odd that we are referring to this as "your idea" considering it is such a widespread concept and phenomenon in ongoing fictional universes.

Or, perhaps you meant this, in response to another rather condescending question from you, I said:

Sigh. . . you really do think you're smarter than everybody else here, don't you? Do you really think that I'm puzzled by this? Do you really think anyone is? Are you even seriously asking this?

Finally, I ended with:

Consider yourself to be on my ignore list. I'm not going to sit here an argue with you via PM when you obviously have such a low opinion of the intelligence of those who disagree with you while have such an inexplicably inflated sense of your own intellectual prowess.

Hardly anything I would feel afraid to have the Moderators see. Yet you attempted to make it sound like I was hurling profanities and "personal insults."

Nice try. I said nothing to be ashamed of. . . it is you who seems to (now repeatedly) take things to the gutter as soon as your arguments fall apart and you've got nowhere else to go. And, now, with the baiting, you're just acting like a troll.

So, I'm done. There's no having a productive argument here anymore. . . because those on the other side realize that the only thing they can do is attack me personally. . .

H

[EXO]

Losers... the both of you... stop bumping this thread up, I bet Hirohawa is kicking himself for starting the thread. It was just a question to entertain the thought.

[Wicked Ace]

These guys are still at it?! BTW, did anyone else hear that Yamato confirmed a low-vis 1/48 VF-0 with interchangeable nose cones? Oh and it's a "limited edition" too, but I'm not sure what that means.

[EXO]

These guys are still at it?!  BTW, did anyone else hear that Yamato confirmed a low-vis 1/48 VF-0 with interchangeable nose cones?   Oh and it's a "limited edition" too, but I'm not sure what that means.

1/100

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=4849

EDIT: Low-Vis? So far all we've seen is the grey prototype...

Edited February 5, 2004 by >EXO<

[DrClay]

These guys are still at it?!  BTW, did anyone else hear that Yamato confirmed a low-vis 1/48 VF-0 with interchangeable nose cones?   Oh and it's a "limited edition" too, but I'm not sure what that means.

1/100

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=4849

EDIT: Low-Vis? So far all we've seen is the grey prototype...

I think he was making a joke.

Also, my apologies, EXO et al, I was totally out of line I just have the apartment to myself tonight and I'm all bored.

Edited February 5, 2004 by DrClay

[Uxi]

Release a 1S Low-Vis - the original Low-Vis remains "limited", and the new 1S can be as well. Problem solved.

Great, so all of us who bought multiples of the 1A version can feel like we wasted money?

I woudln't feel like i wasted money.

Though I'd replace -1S with 1J. Roy is the ONLY 1S there should be... at least as early as M0.

As far as the guy saying I should buy another one... I'm not paying $200 for a Low-Viz sans armor, though if someone wants to sell their used one I'll be happy to take it off their hands... and even then it'd be another squad member! And the leader would still be wanted!

To the other guy who mentioned 1/60, I'm totally with you! Yamato Low-Viz, first in the new and improved 1/60 series featuring all the 1/48 features (removable nose-cone with radar, flaps, telescoping feet and semi-"perfect" transformation)...

Or at least make 'em as standard 1/60 VF-1A's but make it a 4-pack... 1x 1J and 3 1A...

Ok ok, I'll have to look for an old used Hikaru 1A or two and paint it.

But yeah. New head means a good re-issue. It worked for Hikaru!

[Wicked Ace]

These guys are still at it?!  BTW, did anyone else hear that Yamato confirmed a low-vis 1/48 VF-0 with interchangeable nose cones?   Oh and it's a "limited edition" too, but I'm not sure what that means.

1/100

http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/index.php?showtopic=4849

EDIT: Low-Vis? So far all we've seen is the grey prototype...

LOL! Dr. Clay is right; I was kidding. Hmmm. . . a low-vis VF-0 in 1/48, what a great idea (if I do say so myself)! Oh, and if Yamato were to make this, it should definitely be a "limited edition," although I'm unclear as to the meaning of this, it looks really neat on the box.

[DrClay]

I read somewhere that there was a period of only a few days where Yamato accepted pre-orders from distributors for the low vis, and they only made as many toys as were ordered. Supposedly, no one had a clue that there would even be such a thing and distributor demand was pretty low.... but don't take this post as the gospel truth.

[Uxi]

I imagine Yamato would have made enough (maybe the minimum number) that they'd cut a profit after production (mostly packaging, etc)...