Mr March Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 Found this posted on AnimeSuki. I like them Quote
edwin3060 Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 Found this posted on AnimeSuki. I like them Looks great! But they all look like variations on the same theme, especially the Gerwalk mode where the bottom 3 all look like the YF-19! The XVF-24 looks to be a pretty straightforward recombination of the YF-19 and YF-21--- in Battroid mode the wings are clearly from the YF-19 even though in Gerwalk and Fighter they are from the YF-21. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 20, 2009 Posted January 20, 2009 Found this posted on AnimeSuki. I like them The Chimera and Phalanx have what looks like a COFFIN system, a la Ace Combat. Quote
badboy00z Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Those are badass. I like the 1st one. Quote
badboy00z Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Dilect big image link　if you have pixiv ID and password... VF-36 Astorle Can you post the pictures on here? I can't read Japanese so signing up would be a pain... Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Those are badass. I like the 1st one. I don't much care for the Phalanx, and I don't get the name of the Galland, but I like all of them. (Phalanx excluded) Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) Can you post the pictures on here? I can't read Japanese so signing up would be a pain... and you need a Japanese email address Edited January 21, 2009 by anime52k8 Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 I don't much care for the Phalanx, and I don't get the name of the Galland, but I like all of them. (Phalanx excluded) well the X part implies exparamental, and is a running theme with these designs, and the SU and 37 parts are reference to the real life SU-37 that this is modeled after, and the VF part is for variable fighter. as for the Galland part, I would assume it's a reference to WWII german fighter ace Adolf Galland, that or its named after Antoine Galland who did the first European translation of Arabian knights. (I'm going with the first one) Quote
yui1107 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Can you post the pictures on here? I can't read Japanese so signing up would be a pain... VF-32 vespa Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 VF-32 vespa again, direct linky no worky for us westerners, save the pics and upload them on the board or host them on photobucket/imageshack please. Quote
Vostok 7 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) VF-32 vespa Shucks, I just put my magnifying glass away... Vostok 7 Edited January 21, 2009 by Vostok 7 Quote
badboy00z Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Or maybe you should just give us your user name and password so we can login and see all the pictures. Quote
yui1107 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) Attachments two images! Edited January 21, 2009 by yui1107 Quote
edwin3060 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Nice... it's good to finally see a single engined VF design... Quote
Vostok 7 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Nice, I like the VF-32 design, like a transforming F-16! Very nice! Vostok 7 Quote
Knight26 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) We saw that transforming VF-32 before and tore into it for one particular detail most of all IIRC, the engine, saddly the design takes a serious hit because the engine in battroid mode is truncated down to a tiny size, I think DH and I eventually agreed that it was basically chopped down to little more then just the turbine and afterburner can since the compressor and combustor effectively don't exist in this design, they are much further forward. Now that VF-36 is stunning, though the top view makes it look somewhat stumpy with abnormally long, narrow chord wings, other then that it is very nice, maybe a slight revision to lengthen or thin out the fuselage would be good. Edited January 21, 2009 by Knight26 Quote
badboy00z Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah, the top view definitely makes it look stumpy. Also the arms being on the outside makes the rear fuselage look too thick IMO. Cool design nonetheless. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 Holy $#!7, variable F-16! Ok, so, I'ma say the only way that can work is VF-22 style. Engine can't be the legs. Unless it's 2 engines in a single, underslung housing (Rafale, Typhoon, Etc), but they'd have to be incredibly small... Single-Engine VF doesn't like to work. It'd take SK to figure that one out... Anime, I know the whole VFX/XVF Part, I didn't get why it was called the Galland. Thanks for the speculation as to that, though. Quote
Vostok 7 Posted January 21, 2009 Posted January 21, 2009 (edited) Holy $#!7, variable F-16! Ok, so, I'ma say the only way that can work is VF-22 style. Engine can't be the legs. Unless it's 2 engines in a single, underslung housing (Rafale, Typhoon, Etc), but they'd have to be incredibly small... Single-Engine VF doesn't like to work. It'd take SK to figure that one out... Anime, I know the whole VFX/XVF Part, I didn't get why it was called the Galland. Thanks for the speculation as to that, though. Ah, but here's the rub. Kawamori DID design a single engine variable fighter. Someone with the perfect memory book on hand (mine's packed away) would have to back me up, but he did a non-Macross design (I believe in line with the origin of the VF-9) that was essentially a single engined variable fighter highly influenced by the F-104 Starfighter. It was a neat design, but there wasn't any more in the book than a tiny picture of it in fighter and battroid mode IIRC. Vostok 7 Edited January 21, 2009 by Vostok 7 Quote
Knight26 Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 It's in design works, I will have to look at it to see if he got the engine length problem right though. Quote
Mr March Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 It's not in Macross Perfect Memory and I can't see it in my SK Design Works book either. But ChrisG's MAHQ has a picture profile of the LV-7 Valorious Rapier "Excalibur" that is very reminiscent of the F-104 Starfighter. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 It's not in Macross Perfect Memory and I can't see it in my SK Design Works book either. But ChrisG's MAHQ has a picture profile of the LV-7 Valorious Rapier "Excalibur" that is very reminiscent of the F-104 Starfighter. That's a crazy name... Now, we need a WORKING single-engine Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 We saw that transforming VF-32 before and tore into it for one particular detail most of all IIRC, the engine, saddly the design takes a serious hit because the engine in battroid mode is truncated down to a tiny size, I think DH and I eventually agreed that it was basically chopped down to little more then just the turbine and afterburner can since the compressor and combustor effectively don't exist in this design, they are much further forward. Now that VF-36 is stunning, though the top view makes it look somewhat stumpy with abnormally long, narrow chord wings, other then that it is very nice, maybe a slight revision to lengthen or thin out the fuselage would be good. I think it would better if instead of having the legs end before the engine section starts, the legs should be bigger, run bellow the existing engine, the backpack engine would be smaller in diameter making length less of an issue (it would just be a small engine). you'd no longer have a true single engine valk, you'd actually have three small engines (backpack plus legs) in a tight cluster. you'd still get the interesting look of having a narrow fuselage though It's not in Macross Perfect Memory and I can't see it in my SK Design Works book either. But ChrisG's MAHQ has a picture profile of the LV-7 Valorious Rapier "Excalibur" that is very reminiscent of the F-104 Starfighter. it looks a lot like an F-104 but it's not single engine. the red hilighted part is the actual exaust nozzle, and the green highlighted part is the foot. Quote
Mr March Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Now, we need a WORKING single-engine it looks a lot like an F-104 but it's not single engine. Yes, I know it's not a single engine craft. But it's the only variable fighter that looks like an F-104 Starfighter, as Vostok 7 had asked. Quote
Vostok 7 Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Well slap me up side the head. I thought Perfect Memory was wrong. It's been several years, my memory isn't so perfect anymore But that was the fighter I was talking about! Vostok 7 Quote
Mr March Posted January 22, 2009 Posted January 22, 2009 Glad to help. I think a single engine valkyrie could be designed to look good, but I don't think there's much to be gained by such a design. But just going with it for a second, the way the YF-21/VF-22 Sturmvogel II transforms, it could have easily been a single-engine design. Or even more interesting, a triple-engine design; if one were to stick an engine in the middle of the rear fuselage and change the legs to something like the more traditional style valkyrie legs (VF-1, YF-19, VF-25), it would look pretty damn impressive Quote
Macross GURU Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I found this on the web. I looks to be called a YF-29. Quote
anime52k8 Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 I found this on the web. I looks to be called a YF-29. I'm pretty sure this is the fighter form that Kissdum engage planet show that SK did mecha designs for. not sure because I never watched it (did anyone actually watch it?) Quote
edwin3060 Posted January 23, 2009 Posted January 23, 2009 Glad to help. I think a single engine valkyrie could be designed to look good, but I don't think there's much to be gained by such a design. But just going with it for a second, the way the YF-21/VF-22 Sturmvogel II transforms, it could have easily been a single-engine design. Or even more interesting, a triple-engine design; if one were to stick an engine in the middle of the rear fuselage and change the legs to something like the more traditional style valkyrie legs (VF-1, YF-19, VF-25), it would look pretty damn impressive It would be nice just for the sheer novelty of it-- I'm always entranced when a new VF design comes out because I want to figure out how the transformation works! Quote
Fade Rathnik Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 Glad to help. I think a single engine valkyrie could be designed to look good, but I don't think there's much to be gained by such a design. But just going with it for a second, the way the YF-21/VF-22 Sturmvogel II transforms, it could have easily been a single-engine design. Or even more interesting, a triple-engine design; if one were to stick an engine in the middle of the rear fuselage and change the legs to something like the more traditional style valkyrie legs (VF-1, YF-19, VF-25), it would look pretty damn impressive Well if you took the VF-25 and ditched the shield i am sure you could mount a third engine back there too. Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 Well if you took the VF-25 and ditched the shield i am sure you could mount a third engine back there too. And the VF-1 has 5, count 'em 5 engines! Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) Well if you took the VF-25 and ditched the shield i am sure you could mount a third engine back there too. And the VF-1 has 5, count 'em 5 engines! What's the big deal about odd-numbered amounts of engines? Edit: PC Uploaded twice. Meesa muy, muy sorry! Meesa no be doin' it again. Nosa. Edited January 24, 2009 by SchizophrenicMC Quote
Macross GURU Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 (edited) And the VF-1 has 5, count 'em 5 engines! What's the big deal about odd-numbered amounts of engines? Edit: PC Uploaded twice. Meesa muy, muy sorry! Meesa no be doin' it again. Nosa. Actually those are only vernier rockets, not sure of the power source, maybe from the bypass off the main engines or perhaps liquid fuel, none-the-less are not main reaction turbine engines. VF-1 uses 2 FF2001 turbines. Edit: forgot the bit about he bypass. Edited January 24, 2009 by Macross GURU Quote
SchizophrenicMC Posted January 24, 2009 Posted January 24, 2009 Actually those are only vernier rockets, not sure of the power source, maybe from the bypass off the main engines or perhaps liquid fuel, none-the-less are not main reaction turbine engines. VF-1 uses 2 FF2001 turbines. Edit: forgot the bit about he bypass. ... It was a joke. If they're verniers, they're EHT (Extreme High Thrust), because the 3 of them are sufficiently powerful to lift it alone, apparently. None of the others are that powerful, and from what I've gathered, would require all the thrusters on the bottom of the jet to fire to lift it. (Lift describes vertical lifting capability in .98-1G of gravity) I was just pointing out that everyone's talking about adding a third engine. Just stating that the Valkyrie has 5 of 'em, even if it's not conventionally 5. Quote
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