Gundam Show Thread - MSG thru Witch from Mercury

[Keith]

First half. This is gonna be awesome.

Edited March 12, 2015 by Keith

[Marzan]

DVD only? No BD?

[Hikuro]

DVD only? No BD?

Did you wanna pay 200?

[F-ZeroOne]

DVD only? No BD?

Damn it, Bandai, you promised.

Still, if DVD is what we're gonna get, then DVD is what I'll take.

[Hikuro]

Seeing the outrageous pricing Bandai does for their Blu-rays, take what you can get. I know a lot of guys who are pitching a fit because they think the Blu-ray is amazing high end quality. Well, you can also get some pretty damn high end quality having a DVD in a blu-ray player just like having a blu-ray in a 4K player.

Considering the age of the series and it being one of the last gundam anime's done in traditional celluloid style....can't hope for much.

Then again, there's something about Tomino's work that now bugs me and Turn A fits right in there. I dunno hard to explain.

Either case, I'll pass on Turn A, rather have some of the other stuff.

[Marzan]

Did you wanna pay 200?

For a bit extra quality, a classic that i love like Turn A Gundam? Sure, I'd pay extra for the BD's. Collecting anime is an expensive hobby as it is.

[Keith]

For a bit extra quality, a classic that i love like Turn A Gundam? Sure, I'd pay extra for the BD's. Collecting anime is an expensive hobby as it is.

Yup, but as is, I'll take the DVD releasw over nothing...for now!

[areaseven]

[Hikuro]

I just read volume 5 so now I don't even need to watch this. But from the pacing I'm gonna say this OVA follows volumes 5-7 ending with the battle at Loum where the series started.

[Gubaba]

Yes, Hikuro, I think someone else mentioned that, too...

Keith, it's going to be four episodes total, so my guess is that it'll follow the "flashback" sections of the manga only.

In those, Amuro shows up as a kid at the end only.

But really, what do you want to see about his backstory? His dad leaving for space with him, and him tearfully saying goodbye to his mom and his wooden puppet? There's nothing terribly dramatic about Amuro's childhood.

[Hikuro]

I actually thought Amuro's dad might actually be a bit on the abusive side the way he was at that kid in the manga.

But yeah Volumes 5-7 just fit with how this is pacing.....which sucks. It's not that I wanna learn the origins and prequel history of all the characters, I just want a revamped Gundam series. The old one just doesn't within the test of time to me.

[Gubaba]

Well, we'll always have the manga. For me, THAT'S the perfect version. Making it move can't improve it.

[Keith]

Well, we'll always have the manga. For me, THAT'S the perfect version. Making it move can't improve it.

Yes it can...

[Hikuro]

Reconguista is over. And after watching that I feel like I want to find Tomino, knock on his door and smack him across the face and ask "WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?!" This was the WORST Gundam series I have ever watched.

[chyll2]

Reconguista is over. And after watching that I feel like I want to find Tomino, knock on his door and smack him across the face and ask "WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?!" This was the WORST Gundam series I have ever watched.

the most fun part of it is that tomino was shown at the end hahah, to troll us all.

[Keith]

I don't know, I'm up to ep 5 official youtube stream) and like it so far.

Edited March 29, 2015 by Keith

[mikeszekely]

I just finished G-Reco. To anyone who thinks that G-Reco is worse than the two SEED series, you're nuts.

But that's about it.

Honestly, after the weak stories, dull and cliched characters, and ridiculous mecha porn of SEED and 00, I'm glad that the Gundam franchise tried to take a different tack with AGE and G-Reco... but maybe they over-corrected? Well, I actually liked AGE until the third arc, when everything just fell apart. But, as much as I genuinely liked a lot of the characters in G-Reco, the story was just all over the place. I mean, it starts off simply enough, with a believable conflict between two groups over economic reasons, but then the pirates turn out to be the pirates AND Ameria, and the Capital turns out to be the Capital Guard AND the Capital Army, and all four groups have different motivations. And while they're fighting, Tomino throws in the Towasangans, whose plan to retake the Earth gives the series its name, but if that wasn't enough we also have Venus Globe, and G-IT who is part of Venus Globe but has different intentions. Then Tomino brings all these factions back to Earth, alliances are formed and broken, everyone fights a big battle, then... it just stops? Really? All these factions are introduced for absolutely zero payoff. We don't know if any of the economic factors are resolved, or why Towasanga wanted to upset the status quo and move back to Earth. The fighting just sort of stops, and we're given a few scenes to show that everyone lived happily ever after, or something. To make matters worse, a lot of the ideas like a more advanced group in space wanting to migrate back to Earth, the dark history of the Universal Century, etc are pretty much copy-pasted from Turn A.

It was kind of cool, though, that Bellri and Mask wound up fighting in the ruins of Jaburo.

[renegadeleader1]

Tomino admits he screwed up... big time with Recoguista.

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-04-24/yoshiyuki-tomino-admits-story-problems-in-gundam-reconguista/.87449

[chyll2]

I actually agree on his point on the latter part of the article. Anime now is all about pretty girls and at much latter part, as usual, the one who matters is the that sells millions of copies (again, caused by pretty girls and the fanservice attached to it)

[Marzan]

I actually agree on his point on the latter part of the article. Anime now is all about pretty girls and at much latter part, as usual, the one who matters is the that sells millions of copies (again, caused by pretty girls and the fanservice attached to it)

What killed Reconguista was not the lack of fanservice or what not, but the lack of a good script with relatively consistent characters communicating with flowing logical dialogue. If they'd nailed that, it would have sold well. While mecha has become niche compared to the big idol/harem shows, it still has it's fans, specially the Gundam franchise.

[Hikuro]

beginning of the article reflects pretty well with how I felt about the series. But near the end I feel like he just said he was a sore loser in some fashion like, we're all to shallow to understand his story and that when we're older and looking back we're gonna smack ourselves and go "okay this wasn't that bad back then."

The action scenes just don't gel well with the story line at all......and having only 26 episodes just wasn't enough and this is also a problem with some of his film works. F91 didn't gel well as a movie but I think would of made a great series if it could have the 50 episode run typically seen. Same thing with Zeta Gundam New Translation......there were things in the films that just don't jive with me at all, rush edits, bad scene to scene transfers, some bad dialogue and a horrible audio track.

[areaseven]

Just had to share this. Neil Nadelman explained on MAHQ's FB Group the inconsistencies of translating the Gundam storylines:

"There were three phases of Gundam translation: the initial fan works (Supplemented by occasional English spellings from books and model kits), Fred Schodt's Gundam novel translations in the late 1980's, and Sunrise/Bandai Entertainment's foray into the US market in the late 1990's.

Back in the earliest days, Zeon was consistently romanized as Zion, until Fred's novels came out. Of course, the initial translation of the novels had tons on their own quirks (e.g.. - Char spelled as Sha, Ball spelled as Bowl, etc.) After that, it became a sort of fight between fanon and competing canons. The next Gundam releases were Viz's Gundam 0083 film comics and the manga that Kondou did. Those kind of stuck to the Schodt canon while working in more common fanon spellings.

By the time Bandai started Anime Village, Sunrise had come up with a ton of new "official" name spellings and presented them to us. I wrote back that we should probably stick mostly with what had already been established in previous North American releases (and also I just couldn't bring myself to call Haro "Hello".) The response was that it was okay for us to do our own spellings, and that there could be differences between the US releases and Sunrise's official spellings. My main concern was to try and make all the jargon fit, knowing all the different stuff coming up. That's why I translated Earth Federation as the "Federated Union of Earth": I was trying early on to give some justification for why there was an "Anti-Earth Union Group" in Zeta Gundam. Truth be told, I'd have preferred that it just be called the Earth Union in English, but Federation and Federal Forces had been fanon for so long that I didn't dare. This is also why I added a silent "0" in front of the number of Lt. Burning's old unit; anticipating having to get around to 08th MS Team eventually.

(Oddly enough, I used Sunrise's then-official spelling of Jaburo as Jabrow, which shows up on a freaking monitor screen in 0083, but then they decided to go with the Fred Schodt Jaburo spelling later on.)

Then, about a year later, when it came time to dub Original Gundam, that all changed. Bald Wizard suddenly wanted to take a VERY heavy role in that production, and he came down hard on all work we'd done till then. Dubbing and translation production was yanked from LA and moved up to Canada, and then he spent the next couple of years insisting on editing the English translations. That led to interesting situations, like him giving input on the translation of the 08th MS Team special "Miller's Report", even though he had jack all to do with making it.

So, TL;DR, it's inconsistent because Bandai/Sunrise changed their minds about a year after we started translating Gundam."

[McFly!!]

Just had to share this. Neil Nadelman explained on MAHQ's FB Group the inconsistencies of translating the Gundam storylines:

Interesting! Thanks, areaseven! Who's "Bald Wizard"?

[F-ZeroOne]

My guess is ol' Tomino himself.

[areaseven]

Here's a surprise: Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt is now available in English in Singapore.

Mobile Suit Gundam Thunderbolt

[dizman]

That is a surprise, I'm gonna have to track these down.

[aerocombatpilot]

I did not know Gundam the Origin was controversial. How?

[areaseven]

Singaporeans are so lucky.

[treatment]

fyi.

Mobile Suit Gundam The 08th MS Team Blu-ray Memorial Box Special Package Limited Edition

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=MED-DVD2-29479

Unfortunately, Ami's preorder states: *This item requires pre-payment*

Bonus:
[bonus Disc]
1. Completely newly made short film "sanjigen tono tatakai"

[mikeszekely]

Over $170 before shipping? Pass. The 08th MS team is my least-favorite OYW story.

Is it just anime, or are Blu-rays in general kind of absurdly expensive in Japan?

[Hikuro]

Over $170 before shipping? Pass. The 08th MS team is my least-favorite OYW story.

Is it just anime, or are Blu-rays in general kind of absurdly expensive in Japan?

Always been that way in Japan namely bandai. This is also partially why bandai USA doesn't exist. Japan branch tried to force USA to charge as high as them and they said no. Eventually bandai USA shut down and now bandai Japan says if you want your gundam you buy it at the higher price.

[areaseven]

[Marzan]

Looks promising enough. A sequel to G Fighter?

[Hikuro]

Can't tell WHAT that image is as its so dark. Crap o la.

[Keith]

Z, ZZ, Victory, & X are all coming from Nozomi, no word on format. They're gonna try for the original Z themes.

0079 TV is coming on BD, but still no Duhan's Island. I think they said the Turn A movies are also getting a BD release.