MiG-29 ID

[Cruel Angel's Thesis]

Anyone happen to know the variant of the MiG-29 Tocka Opori aka Fulcrum that was shown in Ep.1 of Macross Zero? Working the RPG stats, however need to know the variant type to get certain stats correct. Arigato for your time.

Cruel Angel's Thesis

[azrael]

Which variant? Who knows.... But this should help you.

http://www.anime.net/macross/mecha/anti_un...ig29/index.html

[Druna Skass]

Anyone happen to know the variant of the MiG-29 Tocka Opori aka Fulcrum that was shown in Ep.1 of Macross Zero? Working the RPG stats, however need to know the variant type to get certain stats correct. Arigato for your time.

Cruel Angel's Thesis

Ask David Hintegen, he'd probably know...

[David Hingtgen]

I'd need some good pics. Particularly side views. I'm not good with MiG-29's, I need a perfect profile shot or thereabouts. Directly above might work, but side view much preferred.

If you want to discuss Shin's F-14 on the other hand...

[Knight26]

Give me a good pic and I could tell you, but the first one appears to be a Mig-29C, the last one had some mods so I really need some good pictures first.

[Cruel Angel's Thesis]

If the POS i'm using for a computer could get the pics i would post them, so can someone else please post screenshots David Hingtgen and Knight 26 have requested so they can ID the MiG variant. Arigato.

----Cruel Angel's Thesis

[ewilen]

Here are a bunch of screen shots of the Mig with canards from MZero 5:

http://www.sonic.net/~ewilen/Macross/zero/canard_mig/

Edit: Get them while they're hot. I'll probably take them down after a few days or so.

Edited November 18, 2004 by ewilen

[ewilen]

Non-canarded version as seen at http://www.macross.co.jp/zero/

Picture 1

[ewilen]

Picture 2

[ewilen]

Picture 3

[ewilen]

Last picture. I assume this is the model used for episode 1, but I can't guarantee it.

[Knight26]

Hard call from these pictures, but I would say either a Fulcrum-C or a Fulcrum-S. As for the canarded version, that is completely made up, as the canards are the same as on the SV-51. Some time ago there was a proposed Mig-29 variant with a fuselage plug to add about a meter or two in length , Thrust Vectoring Engines, and canards. That design was never pursued though. The canard positioning on the later MiG-29 really isn't that good and would really hinder performance more then enhance it, the angles are horrid and the positioning would not allow for any controllability, really they would be drag magnets.

[Knight26]

Ok, looking at the pictures more I would say it is a Fulcrum-C, it has the small dorsal hump without the extra fule tank and ECM gear.

[David Hingtgen]

In detail, it doesn't match anything. Heck, it's missing several small distinguishing features of the MiG-29 itself, much less the Fulcrum-A, C, M, etc.

IMHO, it's closest to a Fulcrum-A.

Knight--C's have the bulged dorsal hump. That's the main thing for the C.

[Knight26]

Oh right DH, I was looking at the wrong pciture in my MiG-29 book.

[David Hingtgen]

Found something:

The original MiG-35(modified MiG-29M) proposal had canards:

[Knight26]

I've got a better pciture then that somewhere, including modified lerx and shows the fuselage plug as well.

[hellohikaru]

The model looks closest to the baseline type 9-12 or Fulcrum-A. Perhaps a slightly modified export 9-12.

[Cruel Angel's Thesis]

So we are looking at a Fulcrum A: MiG-29B (Variant 1, Model 9-12) here huh? Suprised they didn't go with a later variant with some of the more goodies. Well i can at least get to work on finishing the stats for it. Arigato for your help. David Hingtgen about Shin's F-14, i am now going to open a topic on that since we really need to decide on what Tomcat that is so i can correctly stat out that one as well. Once again arigato for your help.

-----Cruel Angel's Thesis

[azrael]

So we are looking at a Fulcrum A: MiG-29B (Variant 1, Model 9-12) here huh? Suprised they didn't go with a later variant with some of the more goodies.

Remember, this is a educated guess.

In detail, it doesn't match anything. Heck, it's missing several small distinguishing features of the MiG-29 itself, much less the Fulcrum-A, C, M, etc.

So don't go quoting us here.

[Skull Leader]

pretty much looks like a MiG-29 NEUTER.... It isn't any one real variant over another, just a close facsimile thereof.

[hellohikaru]

well....Hasegawa did recycle the Farnborough plane for their M-Zero kit but they didn't use the correct F-14 either.

So which RPG is this going to ?

[Cruel Angel's Thesis]

I don't plan on quoting anyone on what it is exactly, but the majority of the ones who would know give best guess as Mig-29B, so those are the stats i'm goig to use for it. As for the RPG, when the 20th anniversary of Macross happened, i began stating all the Valkyries (waiting to get my comp Asuka fixed so i can finish, was getting to the YF-19) for the Mekton Zeta RPG. Since most of my Valkyrie info is on my HD and i can't get to it, i can move on to other mecha from Macross till i can, so doing the real world (or close to real world) planes, might work on the Destroids next. Well once work gives me time off i can get the Fulcrum and Tomcat finished. Once i'm done, i'll post them for all to see how much of a nut i am.

Cruel Angel's Thesis

[nanashino]

The CG model of the MiG-29 used for Macross Zero is different from the other variants. One notable difference is the t-shaped antenna/

probe which replaces three blade ODD Rod IFF.

(See below detail of MiG-29 Fulcrum A (Late) design)

I concur that it is not like the Fulcrum C, due to it not possessing the after-cockpit hump. There is also a major alteration of the tail stabilizers. Whether this is due to an inaccurate CG model or deliberately being made different, I can not say. The rudder doesn't look like that of any Mig-29 variant. Though, it does resemble the Prototype's tail most....

[Skull Leader]

You ressurected a thread that is over a year old to bring us this? LOL

[Zentrandude]

That or his connection realy sucks.