Anubis Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 (edited) I too tend to think the default mode is gerwalk. Check out this picture: I don't think I've ever seen a picture of this thing on the ground in shuttle mode. To be honest are we even sure this thing CAN take off on its own? I've always sort of seen this thing taking off with the assist of a booster just like the Space Shuttle. Either that or being dropped from a ship in orbit. Just my 2 cents, Carl I have that wallscroll. Great pic, especially with the flyby orverhead in the full view. The leg thrusters are big enough it should be able to hover and move pretty well. Don't think it would move as quick as a normal VF, but the VB should enough thrust to get it in the air. Hooking the rail cannons into the drive system gives it its high speed flight in shuttle mode, but everything else comes from those leg exhausts. This puppy would have so much better performance in space than on the ground though. Gerwalk would have been a pain to design the thust balance control due to those rail cannons, and factor the drag this thing would have. In space this thing would rock. Edited July 14, 2004 by Anubis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robodog562000 Posted July 18, 2004 Share Posted July 18, 2004 Can't wait to get one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timberwolf Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 In reference to the debate over how the Konig would take off/land or be stored, I have to jump on the bandwagon, not only for all the previous stated reasons, but because of the entrance to the cockpit. Now I know someone has a pic of this, so I'm not gonna even bother searching, but that yellow section on the nose actually swings down, and a ladder unfolds down to the ground, meaning that the cockpit itself doesn't open upward, it merely has a hatch below, much like many medium/heavy bombers. I assume this might also allow the dome of the cockpit to be thicker and more resistant to damage, but that's only a theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwwmwww Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Now I know someone has a pic of this, so I'm not gonna even bother searching, but that yellow section on the nose actually swings down, and a ladder unfolds down to the ground, meaning that the cockpit itself doesn't open upward, it merely has a hatch below, much like many medium/heavy bombers. Very interesting. I've seen a fair bit of VB-6 line art but I don't think I've seen this picture. If anyone has it PLEASE post. Thanks, Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosarioLuv Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I don't think the VB-6 has any landing gear. None is shown in the line-art and in the VF-X2 opening movie, the VB-6 transforms from Shuttle to Gerwalk mode as it lands. Graham Waow, if that's the case, how does it take off from land? I would guess shuttle mode is used for long-range transport only, not as a mode it would transform from or to on a repeated basis during combat like you would a valk. As far as take off, I imagine it would be launched vertically, like the space shuttle, or off a launching base. I'm also willing to bet it may also have VTOL capabilities in shuttle mode through use of underbelly thrusters and/or it's own on board anti-gravity system ala SDF-1/Zentradi technology. Are there any official stats/specs on this yet? (sorry, havn't checked the compendium yet) Even if it might not take off from a runway like a regular plane would, I would think it has gigantic wheels somewhere in there for taxiing. Just all my guess though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I would guess shuttle mode is used for long-range transport only, not as a mode it would transform from or to on a repeated basis during combat like you would a valk. I agree with that. My thinking is that Shuttle mode is basically used only to get the VB-6 to and from the battlefield quickly where it then transforms and fights mainly in Gerwalk mode in an artillery/support role or occasionally in battroid mode in emergencies if the enemy gets into close combat range/hand to hand range. The big disadvantage of the original Destroids was that they lacked strategic mobility and were thus mostly limited to point/local defence roles or required a seperate carrier spaceship to transport them to the battlefield if they were used in the assault role, unlike VFs, with their high Mach speed and almost unlimited range in an atmosphere which can quickly move from location to location. Basically, the transfoming ability of the VB-6, combines the high firepower of the Destroids, with the enhanced tactical and strategic mobility of a VF. I would imagine that the VB-6 would be great in a planetary assault role. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Latest pic from the new September 2004 issue of engeki Hobby magazine. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anubis Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 (edited) Gorgeous, and it looks like it'll balance well. At first glance it seems like it should stand up straighter (not transformed right again), but really if you pose it too straight it would probably tip over easily with the huge backpack. Looks good though. Like this there is a good center balance to the weight. Thanks for the pic, Graham. Given the current trend, this is probably the final paint scheme. It's appeared a few times like this already. Only down I see is that we really will need some Takatoys or Anasazi decals for it though. Overall I'm loving it. Edited July 23, 2004 by Anubis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSuchFile Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I'll have to admit that the robot mode of the VB-6 really look kick ass, way better than i had expected, here's to hoping it will have a solid sculpt unlike most of Yamato's previous works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort Max Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Beautifull. Shame there's no release details yet but given the rate at which increadibly expensive japanese robot toys are being announced this month it's proabaly a good thing for my wallet. Fort Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I wish a price range would be nailed down. I'd be first in line for domestic pre-order! Looking good! And custom decals/stickers by Anasazi....drool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegis! Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Damn at last we get some pics of this thing in Battroid Looks good so far , I don´t like the head sculpt that much but oh well , is it me or does the paint look darker that what we´ve seen earlier ? aren´t the back of the legs suppossed to look different ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel's Fury Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 I'll have to admit that the robot mode of the VB-6 really look kick ass, way better than i had expected.... Same here. Btw, thanks Graham for the pic. Now my mind is all made up. I'm definitely gonna get this. So as everybody in this thread. Now I hope my wallet won't suffer to much. **Like that it matters** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holytoledo69 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Not to get off topic.. well kinda on topic... It aint yamato..but check out what these people did with legos.. Sorry If this thread came out before, but its a first for me..check out the VB-6 Koenig (Lego) Monster. It Transforms too!!! http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=10006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holytoledo69 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 looks like these people couldnt wait for the yamato version to come out.. it looks great though doesnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holytoledo69 Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 here's another one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaajin Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 wow...IMHO that looks way so much better than what yamato have for us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Pinche Haro! Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 i think the hips look a little too wide on the yamato...i think the toy wasn't transformed correctly...that looks like a big botch up...the resin prototype's hips and legs didn't look all that bad i want the legos monster now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRAND CANNON Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Wonder where the battroid mode is, though? Besides the sculpt pic, has anyone seen another? Would display mine in this mode and yet it escapes the camera.... "...and there was much rejoicing...." Finally, and it does look nice! I agree that some panel highlights and/or some quality markings would be key. (Tampo even better!) Can't wait to see some size comparison shots with other Yamato goodies.... .... and can you imagine the customs?!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeo-mare Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 ok i must get myself ready to begin ducking and dodging the stones that are about to be thrown for this remark but i do not like the battroid mode at all, the head looks funny. as does the pose, in the picture where they show it from the side is it suppossed to lean forward like that ? it looks awkward. i like the gerwalk and bomber mode but i really do not like the robot mode, i am definetly getting one when it comes out, but i can see that i problly will not have this posed as a batroid very often, i think the resin one looked better maybe it is just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeo-mare Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 actually i also like that lego one, the stance in battroid mode looks cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpchi Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I actually like the lego one better, in the sense of proportion & robot stance. I think Yamato can do better than that if they really try. Robot mode looks much compromised, with a weird stance & look. Not close to the line art at all. Sometimes, I wonder why Yamato have been making unnecessary design decisions that takes away the aesthetics of the toy. Like the 1/60 GBP's big shoulder pad, big hands & wide hips. Now the Monster's weird robot mode. I mean some parts still look nice, just not together as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nani?! Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 First and foremost, thank you Graham for the awesome pics. In my opinion, as much as I anticipated the yamato konig in battroid, I think I agree with zeo-mare that the pose (which I HOPE is adjustable) is ugly. Also the legs seem to start at the arm pits and the head sculpt seems a bit dopey rather than intimidating like the line art. I'm still buying one but I dont think I'll ever display it in battroid if it looks like that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosarioLuv Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 (edited) double post for me, but we seem to have 2 threads bout the same thing, lol. I think though, in spite of how akward these particular pics make the moster look in bot mode, whether it looks like that for real or not, I'll pick one up just for the shear size of it, and the fact that it is quite a unique macross mech far different than any run of the mill valk. But from these pics, I have to agree with zeo-mare. ok i must get myself ready to begin ducking and dodging the stones that are about to be thrown for this remark but i do not like the battroid mode at all, the head looks funny. as does the pose, in the picture where they show it from the side is it suppossed to lean forward like that ? it looks awkward. i like the gerwalk and bomber mode but i really do not like the robot mode, i am definetly getting one when it comes out, but i can see that i problly will not have this posed as a batroid very often, i think the resin one looked better maybe it is just me. Is it me, or does the Monster not look as cool in bot mode as I remember in previous pics? Like the hips should be closer together, and the legs somehow look as if they should be telescoped out (longer) but haven't been transformed correctly (I don't really know how it's s'posed to transform). These pics make bot mode look like a cheesy Transformer for some reason. These pics of the Monster make it look like a supersize version of the Autobot COSMOS......or is it just me? Makes me hungry for some tacos......... Edited July 24, 2004 by redemption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel's Fury Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 For a while there redemption, you made me laugh!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Yeah...the side view showing how weird an angle the monster is standing at bugs me....maybe its a wrong transformation. But....I don't care. I'm gonna leave it in gerwalk mode anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLoneWolf Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 It's refreshing to see Yamato release a Macross toy that isn't a VF-1. But, that doesn't give them luxury of releasing something so ugly that I'd confuse it for a Toynami product. The latest pic of the Konig Monster, at best, only bears a passing resemblance to the lineart. Please note: The rat claws that are supposed to be hands The positioning of the legs. They're supposed to end at the "crotch." Instead, they go up as far the Battroid's chest, not to mention they're spread so far apart that it looks like they attach to the shoulders. The head looks like it's sunken into some sort of backpack. The missing gun from the chest. The slumping shoulders. Hate to draw so much attention to crotch ,but just compare the two. The colors are way off, but this is just a prototype. Hopefully the final product will bear the colors from VFX-2. The toy is not without its merits. Shuttle mode looks fantastic! But the Battroid is complete mess. Had this been one of Yamato's early ventures, like the YF-19, I would be more forgiving. But it's now 2004, and we've seen what Yamato is capable of doing. Unless Yamato is going to market this as an "economy" toy, ala the VF-0, I cannot understand why they've done such a poor job with Battroid mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holytoledo69 Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I kinda like the battroid mode.. then again..thats my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neova Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 Lonewolf, You just screwed up my view of Yamato's VB-6 because I agree with everything you said. Looks like theres gonna be some HEAVY custom work to be done on this toy when it comes out cuz I doubt there will be a 1/72 or 1/60 "perfect" grade version as a followup. Yamato, stop wasting our time and just do the one perfect sculpt now and get it over with already. Fistful of American dollars waiting for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawjaw Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 With obscure toys like this that never appeared in any anime, I don't really care what the lineart looks like. It's different with the VF-1, VF-0, and Mac+ valks because we have seen the anime a million times and know what it is supposed to look like. The Yamato Koenig looks good on its own and that's all that counts to me. Plus, a few drawings probably are not easy to make a transformable toy out of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amped Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 (edited) It's refreshing to see Yamato release a Macross toy that isn't a VF-1. But, that doesn't give them luxury of releasing something so ugly that I'd confuse it for a Toynami product. The latest pic of the Konig Monster, at best, only bears a passing resemblance to the lineart. Gotta agree with ya! What is with Yamato's totally crap-tastic sculpts lately??? The VF-0... now this... yuck. The're gettin' awfully clunky. I thought they had finally started using CAD to help design their sculpts, but it may be hurting them 'cause stuff is lookin' downright goofy, IMO. Oh well. Never cared for the Konig, myself, anyhow... I always liked the original Monster.... ya know... just a big-ass piece of walkin' fire support. Big, Simple... with a very large capacity for dealin' out mayhem. There's something comforting in that. Edited July 24, 2004 by Amped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dat Pinche Haro! Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 (edited) i really don't think it was transformed into battroid correctly...here's the proto from yamato's website... http://www.yamato-toys.com/prg_data/OP31086854483.jpg as you can see the legs are lower and a lot closer together than the colored proto from Dengeki Hobby.... yamato does need to make the legs slightly slower so it'd match up to the croch section more...but then it'd make the legs look really long... i can see the vb-6 being a better canidate for parts swapping than the vf-0 is....i mean the legs just look way too long in battroid and they don't land in the right spot as to not look like crap...i really don't mind having to take apart a toy to transform it i would rather have seen some part swapping than have something that looks like crap... Edited July 24, 2004 by Dat Pinche Haro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosarioLuv Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 (edited) I was making fun of the pic fo sho, but something's not right. Between the Yamato proto pic and the mag pic, either a lot has changed on the latest sculpt, or they simply did not transform it correctly AT ALL. Cause the Yamato pic looks pretty darn good. I'm hoping that's all it is. I mean, look at the feet...something serioiusly wrong there with that big gap on the green monster from the mag, and the legs. Please tell me it was just transformed wrong. *UNGH* THAT's gotta be one of my NUMBER ONE pet peaves: Promo pics with horrible poses and incorrectly-transformed toys. Man, if I was the sculptor of a beautiful masterpiece, you'd be SURE I'd be there making sure the photographer does justice to my creation, if not heading the photoshoot myself! I bet there are a lot of sculptors out there crying from the bad pics photographers shot of their works. Edited July 24, 2004 by redemption Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegis! Posted July 24, 2004 Share Posted July 24, 2004 I was making fun of the pic fo sho, but something's not right. Between the Yamato proto pic and the mag pic, either a lot has changed on the latest sculpt, or they simply did not transform it correctly AT ALL. Cause the Yamato pic looks pretty darn good. I'm hoping that's all it is. I mean, look at the feet...something serioiusly wrong there with that big gap on the green monster from the mag, and the legs. Please tell me it was just transformed wrong. *UNGH* THAT's gotta be one of my NUMBER ONE pet peaves: Promo pics with horrible poses and incorrectly-transformed toys. Man, if I was the sculptor of a beautiful masterpiece, you'd be SURE I'd be there making sure the photographer does justice to my creation, if not heading the photoshoot myself! I bet there are a lot of sculptors out there crying from the bad pics photographers shot of their works. Thanksfully it seems those guys at Dengeki haven´t got a clue about transforming toys and just did this the wrong way. STILL... That doesn´t mean those ¨Claws¨ are in any way acceptable or that the paint job is even right. Why claws instead of removable stiff/posable hands ? I mean , that wouldn´t been wrong at all , it isn´t like there is no room at all for real hands o n this toy , look at it. And the colours are just too damn dark right now , hope they realise this. I´m still gonna buy one as far as I´m concerned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosarioLuv Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 My thinking is that Shuttle mode is basically used only to get the VB-6 to and from the battlefield quickly where it then transforms and fights mainly in Gerwalk mode in an artillery/support role or occasionally in battroid mode in emergencies if the enemy gets into close combat range/hand to hand range. In addition to fighting mostly in gerwalk mode as an artillery support role, I also think the difference between the VB-6 and the original monster besides the transport factor (shuttle mode) is that BOT mode can be used for ASSAULTs and CLEANUP (demolition) operations (ala DEVASTATOR in the TF movie). Usually we see the old monsters used as ground-to-air defense mechs against incoming attacks, but I think the VB-6 is also suitable for offensive attacks and pre-emptive strikes. Can you imagine this huge thing barrelling down out of the sky, transforming to gerwalk to blow a path through any enemy ground defense lines, then transforming to battroid mode to start stepping on buildings and key military facilities (not to mention tiny zentradi, even macronized ones)? Heck, forget gerwalk mode, just drop straight down out of the sky in Battroid mode and stomp the heck out of the bad guys! I can almost hear Megatron in the background saying "Let the slaughter begin!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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