sketchley Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 SDF = (Japanese) Self Defence Force. Macross 7: private military force. The simularities probably don't end there... Anyhow, the SDF was formed out of the National Police Agency (of Japan), and it is probably best to consider the Japanese-SDF to be similar to the organization of the police forces in one's own country (RCMP, FBI, and so one, and possibly even the Coast Guard (of Canada. From what I've heard, the US Coast Guard is a lot more militarized, so I cannot include it with certainty; nor the police agencies of other countries.) So yeah, it makes a lot more sense to have a military force similar to the one in the country of the audience the show is created for; and not a foreign military force or even an entirely ficticious one; like the UN Spacy. Though, it could all be a delibarate step away from the terms and symbolism of SDF:M, due to the legal situation of that series. (This stepping away from SDF:M isn't something new, as SDF (Super Dimension Fortress) has been dropped from all Macross titles created afterwords. One should take note that the same hasn't happened with Mobile Suit Gundam; as a good chunk of that franchise's sequels carry the same title as the original show.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossCN Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 (edited) SDF = (Japanese) Self Defence Force. Sketchley San, are you able to watch TBS tomorrow?? Edited December 22, 2007 by kresphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltane70 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 I think it's pretty safe to assume that since it's a Japanese show, and most civilized nations are abhorred by the idea of private armies, that it won't actually end up being private defense contractors. You've obviously haven't seen the new Gundam show, have you? The main characters belong to what is definitely what I'd call a private army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 oh my oh my oh my!!! today we will get to see a new macross series after almost 12 years!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossCN Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 (edited) Beacause I don't know some words mean, so maybe this translaiton have some mistakes. I need sketchley San correct me. Thanks!!! New info of VF-25 http://www.macrossf.com/mecha.html YF-24をベースとして開発された。 VF-25 base on YF-24 ========================================== New info of Character http://www.macrossf.com/chara.html キャシー・グラス(Cathy Glass) CV：小林沙苗(Sanae Kobayashi) 新統合軍のチーフオペレータ。 軍人の家系で育った、バリバリのキャリアウーマン。 New U.N. Spacy Chief Operator and Grew up in military family, Valivaly's career woman p.s. Sorry, I do not know what is バリバリ. or パリパリ？？ ----------------------------------- ミハエル・ブラン(Michael Bran) CV：神谷浩史(Hiroshi Kamiya) 女と見れば口説かずにはいられない、アルトの同級生。 射撃の腕が抜群で、敵も女も狙った獲物は必ず落とすことをモットーにしている。 Love every girls, Alto's classsmate. He has excellent shooting technology. His motto is that If you aimed enemy or girl, you must shoot down it or date her. ----------------------------------- ルカ・アンジェローニ(Luca Anjerony) CV：福山 潤(Jun Fukuyama) アルトとミハエルの後輩。 コンピューターに詳しい。 The junior of Alto and Michael. He know computer. ----------------------------------- 松浦ナナセ(Matsuura Nanase) CV：桑島法子(Houko Kuwashima) ランカのバイト仲間。 ランカの歌手になる夢を応援している。 Ranka's friend. She assists the singer dream of Ranka. ----------------------------------- ボビー・マルゴ(Bobby Malgo) CV：三宅健太(Kenta Miyake) S.M.Sのマクロス25（クォーター）戦艦操舵士。 見かけはいかついが、気立ては優しいオカマ。 オズマに対して報われぬ恋心を内に秘めている。 The Macross 25 battleship steering engineers（操舵士）of S.M.S. He is good-natured gay although appearance is stern. The love（恋）which is not rewarded to Ozma is kept secret in the inside. p.s. Sorry, I do not know what is オカマ in here. gay or effeminate man? Edited December 23, 2007 by kresphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 You've obviously haven't seen the new Gundam show, have you? The main characters belong to what is definitely what I'd call a private army. he was just trying to make a snide political remark and wrap it up in Macross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Well, whatever they are, they aren't UNS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azrael Posted December 22, 2007 Author Share Posted December 22, 2007 oh my oh my oh my!!! today we will get to see a new macross series after almost 12 years!!! Not really....It's just going to be an hour long special looking back at the 25 years of Macross with clips MF ep. 1 thrown in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 How much you wanna wager its footage we've already seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergorn Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 (edited) Not really....It's just going to be an hour long special looking back at the 25 years of Macross with clips MF ep. 1 thrown in. Isn't the 25th Anniversary special supposed to air a full 27 minute "director's cut" of the first episode rather than just MF clips ? That's what they announced on ANN earlier this month.... Linky -Sergorn Edited December 22, 2007 by Sergorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 yeah, as I understand, it's an hour long Macross special about the 25th anniersary and the pilot 1st episode will be aired in it.... wooohooo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 So far, what we can ascertain from the images, is that SMS is part of the Private Military Force (民間軍事部隊), and that General Galaxy is a Defence Contractor for the Frontier Fleet (possibly "the only" Defence Contractor, pending the Defence Contractor responsible for the production of the VF-25 and it's additional parts and munitions.) Sketchley, is that confirmed that General Galaxy is the manufacturer of the VF-25? Where did you read that? Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 New info of VF-25 http://www.macrossf.com/mecha.html VF-25 base on YF-24 Change again!!!! + + Well that last pic confirms that the bugs are actually some sort of bio-mecha, possibly similar to the AFOS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGemini Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Well that last pic confirms that the bugs are actually some sort of bio-mecha, possibly similar to the AFOS... Indeed, and the name is something like "Bajura" or "Bashura" (?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossCN Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Indeed, and the name is something like "Bajura" or "Bashura" (?) dammit , I only watch Valk, I do not notice the bottom pic. バジュラ=Vajra 金剛杵のこと。仏教における密教法具の一つ。 十二神将のひとり、伐折羅大将のこと。 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 dammit , I only watch Valk, I do not notice the bottom pic. バジュラ=Vajra 金剛杵のこと。仏教における密教法具の一つ。 十二神将のひとり、伐折羅大将のこと。 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajra Hmm, "Vajra" being a sankrit word definitely points into the direction of some more revelations about either the SA, the PC or both! The bio-mecha bears an interesting similarity to the Zentreadi Glaug with a top mounted DEW cannon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Here's the latest Macross Frontier articles from the new February 2008 issues of Dengeki Hobby and Hobby Japan magazines. Note the new top view pic of Aruto's white red & black VF-25. Not too sure I like the gap between the legs and the shield though. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensei Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 That gap makes it look super funky eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zinjo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 (edited) Here's the latest Macross Frontier articles from the new February 2008 issues of Dengeki Hobby and Hobby Japan magazines. Note the new top view pic of Aruto's white red & black VF-25. Not too sure I like the gap between the legs and the shield though. Graham I like the gap, in that it gives the fighter more V-TOL and meneuverability, I'm not so sure about how well it would work during planetfall though... Well it's official the logo has both the blue and the red "F". No doubt the logo colors will alternate between commercial breaks... BTW thanks Graham for the new scans... Edited December 23, 2007 by Zinjo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 (edited) Sketchley San, are you able to watch TBS tomorrow?? Nope. Not in the Tokyo area. I get MBS though, and am looking forward to the broadcast later this week. You've obviously haven't seen the new Gundam show, have you? The main characters belong to what is definitely what I'd call a private army. Did I say all? No, I didn't. I said a good chunk, AKA many. Beacause I don't know some words mean, so maybe this translaiton have some mistakes. I need sketchley San correct me. Thanks!!! I'll do my best. thanks for your faith. 新統合軍のチーフオペレータ。 軍人の家系で育った、バリバリのキャリアウーマン。 New U.N. Spacy Chief Operator and Grew up in military family, Valivaly's career woman p.s. Sorry, I do not know what is バリバリ. or パリパリ？？ バリバリ - gung-ho Therefore: "Chief operator of the (new) UN Army. Gung-ho career woman who grew up in a military family. S.M.Sのマクロス25（クォーター）戦艦操舵士。 見かけはいかついが、気立ては優しいオカマ。 オズマに対して報われぬ恋心を内に秘めている。 The Macross 25 battleship steering engineers（操舵士）of S.M.S. He is good-natured gay although appearance is stern. The love（恋）which is not rewarded to Ozma is kept secret in the inside. p.s. Sorry, I do not know what is オカマ in here. gay or effeminate man? オカマ - homo; homosexual; gay man (standard word in colloquial Japanese in use for decades now)* Therefore: the SMS's Macross 25 [Quarter] Battleship Steering Person. Although he appears stern, he is a gentle natured gay. He keeps secret inside an unrequited love. he was just trying to make a snide political remark and wrap it up in Macross. No. It's called making sure that you are conveying accurate information and covering all of your bases; and is something that one learns to do in university. Sketchley, is that confirmed that General Galaxy is the manufacturer of the VF-25? Where did you read that? Graham No. The intention of that remark was to highlight the difference between Defence Contractor and Private Military Contractor. I included General Galaxy as the VF-17 is it's product, and it is highly likely that the VF-171 is also it's product. *http://www.languagerealm.com/japanese/japaneseslang_o.php Edited December 23, 2007 by sketchley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Looks like the VF-171 designation is official, as the HJ article also mentions it, which makes it two magazines that have used it now. Notice how the older figher and gerwalk pics of Aruto's VF-25 did not show the black and red head top colors, instead having the head plain white. It's only in the battroid pic and this new fighter mode pic that the black and red head colors are used. I guess irt was a fairly recent color change decision then. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacrossCN Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Nope. Not in the Tokyo area. I get MBS though, and am looking forward to the broadcast later this week. Did I say all? No, I didn't. I said a good chunk, AKA many. I'll do my best. thanks for your faith. バリバリ - gung-ho Therefore: "Chief operator of the (new) UN Army. Gung-ho career woman who grew up in a military family. オカマ - homo; homosexual; gay man (standard word in colloquial Japanese in use for decades now)* Therefore: the SMS's Macross 25 [Quarter] Battleship. Although he appears stern, he is a gentle natured gay. Thanks Sketchley San. Macross F will tell us a GAY love story... It is a JOKE~~~ = = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensei Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I want some more VF-171 love. Sure the 25 is a nice variable fighter, but there is another side to show people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Hmm, "Vajra" being a sankrit word definitely points into the direction of some more revelations about either the SA, the PC or both! The bio-mecha bears an interesting similarity to the Zentreadi Glaug with a top mounted DEW cannon... It's not the first time that Kawamori Shouji has referenced Buddhism. Basara is one of the 12 Heavenly Generals of Mahayana Buddhism (the branch in East Asia; further subdivided into sects such as Zen, Pure Land, etc.). http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8D%81%E4%...%A5%9E%E5%B0%86 page with some pictures of the *real* Basara: http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/itti/BASARA.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Here's the latest Macross Frontier articles from the new February 2008 issues of Dengeki Hobby and Hobby Japan magazines. Note the new top view pic of Aruto's white red & black VF-25. Not too sure I like the gap between the legs and the shield though. Graham There's no gap on the rear 3/4 view (note shadow of right-most engine nacelle on the shield). It's possible that the bird's eye shot is at the start of transformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twoducks Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 The top view of the VF-25 fighter really reminds me of the Vf-5000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 There's no gap on the rear 3/4 view (note shadow of right-most engine nacelle on the shield). It's possible that the bird's eye shot is at the start of transformation. I think you may be right about the new pic showing the legs beginning to move down at the start of the transformation sequence. If you look just past the intake on the new fighter mode pic, you can see a black triangle, not on other pics, which seems to indicate a leg hinge at that point. On the battroid mode pic the black triangle is not there, only a panel line. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terry the lone wolf Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Here's the latest Macross Frontier articles from the new February 2008 issues of Dengeki Hobby and Hobby Japan magazines. Note the new top view pic of Aruto's white red & black VF-25. Not too sure I like the gap between the legs and the shield though. Graham The VF-25 reminds me of the Orguss....Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 Therefore: the SMS's Macross 25 [Quarter] Battleship. They run the whole bloody fleet? Well, so much for my paramilitary contractors. I hope we get more of an expaination for this than some 10 second voice over at the begining of episode 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 How are you getting SMS run the whole fleet just from Kresphy's & Sketchley's short translation? All I get from it is that SMS have a battleship called 'Macross 25'. Being either a civil defence force or paramilitary force, it's pretty obvious that they would have some sort of battleship. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 The Macross 25 is a colony ship, is it not? Macross class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 there must be some sort of UN Spacy presence or influence, it can't be run all by a 'paramilitary force' if so, there would be no need to keep a ship vessel name/designation based on military vessel (Macross) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 That would be rather convoluted. So we have the Macross Frontier and the Macross 25, and they are two different ships in the same fleet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sketchley Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 (edited) How are you getting SMS run the whole fleet just from Kresphy's & Sketchley's short translation? All I get from it is that SMS have a battleship called 'Macross 25'. Being either a civil defence force or paramilitary force, it's pretty obvious that they would have some sort of battleship. Graham I've noted that a few posters have poor reading skills, coupled with jumping from the facts to their own conclusions. I read the SMS as being in control of, or having a "quarter" on one of these: Yes. Macross F has something like it. See the Newtype December article I translated. See the preview clips. Now, I'm not exactly sure of the use of "quarter" in brackets in the original. It could mean that the entire Macross 25 is their ship. It could mean that they have a quarter (section) inside of the ship. It could mean that there quarters are in the ship. At the time of writing, I'm inclined to lean towards the Macross 25 battleship being entirely run by the Private Military Force, SMS, as it is almost always attached to the city section (Macross Frontier?), and most likely administered by the civilian government of the city section. This inclination interpreting the situation as an outgrowth of the events of Macross 7, and the need for, and the development of a civilian defence force for the city section. In these terms, the UN Spacy still exists, and maintains the majority of the fleets defence, and the Private Military Force, SMS, provides a dedicated last line of defence for the colonists. Another 2 (or 4?) hours plus alpha before we start getting some clarification. Edited December 23, 2007 by sketchley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Togo Posted December 23, 2007 Share Posted December 23, 2007 I had no idea what you were alluding to, really. The statement "the SMS's Macross 25 [Quarter] Battleship Steering Person." is not exactly clear, other than the character in question is at the helm of... something. So, said character is at the helm of Macross 25's Battle section, which is under SMS control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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