1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 (edited) Well some people have lots of money and become the early adopters knowing that they may be taking a little risk but are ok with that. That still doesn't mean they have low standard, (they may be aware about the problem beforehand but are making a choice to still buy it. Perhaps as a result of expecting problems from previous releases and applying thier own custom fix?). Just as some bought toynami alpha fighters due to a love of the looks of the alpha and not the durability. They are still not stupid because to them, there is no alternative, so they didn't want to wait. I mention before how 1/48 VF-1 although not perfect, is still one of the best vf-1 out on the market for now but doesn't mean it can't be beat easily by some other company. Me personally? I wait until the early adopter buys it, reviews it, and shows pics or problem areas before jumping. But the loaded guy who knows they've seen better build quality but still wants to buy the less-than-perfect toy is not necessarily condoning the poor quality or mistakes. Tolerating them early on shouldn't be confused with accepting or not caring about the problems in the early release. I only ended up buying a vf-17 from bandai not because I don't care about detail, but because there is no alternative. I'm sure many people who buy are just as pissed as you, but as mentioned, they are just fans of the mecha and still hope the problems get sorted. So they don't want to have a "if it isn't 100% perfect toy, I won't buy it" attitude because they love the mecha design so much. Not because of stupidity, low standards, or ignorance of the problems that others have. For eg many early xbox360 consoles will have heating problems that newer ones won't. But these early ones allow all the eager people to at least play thier games 1.5 years before the patient guy who will gain all the benefits of a more stable system by choosing to wait. Doesn't mean the early adopter loves to have the problem or has a low standard. They are angry, and wish they didn't have to put up with it, (having overheating problems) but they also want to play the latest games now. Not 1-3 years later. So it's like the two forces are pulling at each other. On one hand you could say all the people who bought toynami alphas are stupid for not waiting, on the other you could say "at least they have the best that is currently out for now" despite knowing that it isn't the best it could be. Maybe if people knew there would be other companies going to apply some improvements to the toynami alphas (or just compete by making new mospeada toys) in future they would have held off a purchase of the early release? But you would need to have a crystal ball. They might just feel, "WTF you only live once. I'm not going to wait another 20 odd years and there is no better ones out there.." Maybe in some strange way, the money people are willing to spend on less than perfect attempts to make the mecha, show other companies that this is a lucrative area? They might even start thinking: "if these fanboys are willing to buy this fragile mess for big bucks, think of how much money we can make competing against these guys with our superior versions if we took a slice of the market?" So maybe in some sick way you can thank the fanboy loaded with cash? But in all seriousness, there is a difference between toleration of the flaws (buying something with QC issues grudgingly), and blind loyalty/blissful ignorance (buying stuff without consideration for good build quality, details, what else you could buy for that amount of money). Many people happy with the product, still do complain about the flaws. But it's a case of wanting to see it made anyway and get improved, the same way as the guy who reports bugs to the people who make buggy software which is easy to use or provides strengths in some other areas besides "stability". A program which has great error checking and bug checking, may not crash as much but take longer for a person to use. So it's strong in one area but weak in another. Another example: the nintendo wii has no heating issues, so you could say it's got great quality in terms of stability and durability, (heck it uses less power so you are saving money on the electricity bill) but it's graphics are not up to par with the next generation of games on the more high end systems. Strengths and weaknesses. Yes yes, You could make something both beautiful AND sturdy, but unless more companies compete, the eager fan is buying on the basis that there's no alternative anyway, not out of blind love. If the Wii had as good graphics as the 360, it would be perfect. No heating problems, no sucking up of huge power, no noisy drive, and compact size. But some compromise had to be made: the system isn't as advanced in graphics, support for games with traditional input devices is going to be lower than the others, and support for some popular series will be lacking due to originally being made for a platform that requires high specs to be worth playing on or that makers are more comfortable working on. I see it as being similar to comparing a bandai toy to a yamato one: bandai's are sturdy and tough and you can abuse it, but yamato's added detail and beauty might have come at the expense of being safe to play around with, and instead of being a toy you handle, it may instead make a better "display piece" due to all the problems with parts not locking or pieces gradually scraping and filing away over time and making joints loose or snapping. (self destructing hips on 1/72) Edited May 28, 2007 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kensei Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 The loose wing isn't even an issue. it's the fact that people don't know how to transform it properly. The loosening of the wing comes from passing the wing over the bulbous part of the leg. Everytime you do that the wing gets a little bit looser. Which can be fixed by tightening the screw again anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 err....yessss...I will be so angry and dissapointed if the Fold booster doesn't fold me to another part of the galaxy /[end sarcasm] hehehehe!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthurius Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 I for one feel STUPID buying the vf-0S. I know its out of context, but still, i feel so angry, i wasted more than 170$, and i dont think anyone would buy my loose crap. But there is a good thing, i will NOT buy another first edition again from Yamato (though i will for the Masterpiece transformers). That is why i did NOT buy the yf-19. Hoping the 4th remake is the Raven scheme, and would be close to being perfect (as the vf-1 are perfect). I like what you are saying BOB about us contributing to medicrity, i hadnt thoughed about it that way. In my mind however, i am happy there is all these rich people buying 6 units of the same thing. It does 2 things, i think: 1) It shows Yamato that there is interest, and thus money to be made by improving it and 2) hehe, the rich people have money, so let them spend it, while we wait for a possibly better version (and why not, they made improvements on the vf-1 because of the interest). Of course, if pll dont buy enough, Yamato WONT remake and improve them, right??? So to each their own. I think we do need pll to buy the early editions, and we need others waiting for a re-release and improvements, to keep the cash flowing to yamato . well, cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted June 8, 2007 Share Posted June 8, 2007 (edited) It does 2 things, i think: 1) It shows Yamato that there is interest, and thus money to be made by improving it and 2) hehe, the rich people have money, so let them spend it, while we wait for a possibly better version (and why not, they made improvements on the vf-1 because of the interest). Exactly. It is a fine balance between a) getting them out quickly for those who are happy with it (and have no breakage for some reason) and b) taking their time to ensure the thing can hold for those who find spending money on just 1 is hard to swallow if there is no garuantee of durability. But due to the very nature of macross (being somewhat dead with barely any news on macross toys from the bigger companies like bandai) fans have no alternative until some other company has the balls to take the risk of releasing something that competes with yamato to get them to be nicer and more desperate to please the buyer who can easily turn to the competition which would allow them to have that leverage to be able to threaten to not buy the yamato versions of things. They would then respond more quickly and urgently as they would know the fan has others to spend their money on. (competition will encourage more aggressive pricing as both will try to outcompete each other in value and quality just to stay in the market, listening to advice and responding quickly to please the buying fan) Personally I make the choice to just wait so long as it is known whether they can (actually having the ability to do it) improve, rather than rush out to be the first to buy it just because I can't wait. I support yamato only when I get the durability I want from a ptf toy (otherwise I would buy models) as this is what I want from a mecha: it should actually show the perfect transformation without being too fragile to tf, and at the larger size, be satisfactory in details to be useful to buy at the size in the first place. Not buying doesn't mean you are not interested, just that you want to get the best version and send the message to them (via communicating specific problems you have) that the durability is a big issue in deciding if you'll fork over the money. Otherwise we wouldn't hang around on boards in the first place complaining or offering suggestions on what we'd like to see changed or improved on, if we hadn't shown interest in it in the first place. Edited June 8, 2007 by 1/1 LowViz Lurker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted June 14, 2007 Share Posted June 14, 2007 remember the Tonka toys that are almost indestructible...could you imagine if Yamato would make their valks like that... sweeeeet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recon Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 The updates provided by graham are of course wonderful news, but what im puzzled is why hasn't yamato provided any updates on the neck hinge problem since there has been quite a number of breakages or stress areas. Shouldnt this part be at least change to pom or diecast as its any area which undergo alot of stress and movement during transformation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1 LowViz Lurker Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 remember the Tonka toys that are almost indestructible...could you imagine if Yamato would make their valks like that... sweeeeet! Valkyries are naturally designed to be skinny things though. They might have to fool around with the proportions of the valks and make them chunky for them to be like that. I worry what the vf-11 will be like if it gets made. Hopefully strong enough and stiff enough in joints to be able to wear the armor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kicker773 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 (edited) The Yf19 combo and FP our finally released: nice boxes color.. ergh green Edited June 27, 2007 by Kicker773 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odr78 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 The X Box green... Ergh too.... Good news...... I order 2 fold booster with fast pack..... I should have my box in 2 weeks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfx Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 LOL yamato never ceases to amaze us with box designs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanzaki Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 LOL yamato never ceases to amaze us with box designs. Gawd it's fugly as usual. They need a new cover designer!!!!! With the kind of money we paid, it's unjust to deliver such "artistic" box cover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante74 Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Wow! They really outdid themselfs this time. eyes... hurting... need to ..tear them...out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechaninac Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 (edited) Yay! They're out, fugly box and all. But what I really want to know is if the issues with the stand alone YF-19 have been addressed/corrected on the combo pack, or if, like the VF-0A Shin, it's still the same "defective" product. If the reviews are positive, I may get this. Edited June 27, 2007 by mechaninac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskiiVFaussie Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 lol it's listed as July restock at HLJ... >.> haha, Yamato sure have a talented box cover artist. It's right though, we pay enough money for them to atleast make an effort to pretty up the box designs. My God is it really that hard? I early birdied my standalone fold/fp combo, so i should be receiving mine in a couple of weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mog Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 My first reaction was "My God that's ugly." But actually that first picture from Kicker's post (for the FP/FB only set) isn't all that bad. Damn though, do we really need a box that big for 4 pieces of armor, the booster, and a Yang co-pilot/seat? [Remembers the MASSIVE refrigerator cube he got with the Stealth and FP set].......... nevermind. As for the box for the 19 and FP/FB set............... My God that's ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkyrie addict Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 hmmm...I early bird mine too, I wonder exactly how long will it take for them to send them out I remember the people that pre-order the YF-19 took up to a month to get theirs after everyone else had gotten it.... *shutters* by the way, doesn't anyone think that box is horribly oversized for just 2 pieces of plastic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted June 28, 2007 Share Posted June 28, 2007 Will be picking up one of each in one hour froom now. Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hingtgen Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Pre-emptive questions: I'm more interested in YF-19 v2.0 than the FP actually. Any changes to the landing gear? Gunpod? Do the wings stay in place (not oversweep forward) in fighter mode now? Lock for the torso in battroid mode? Better-fitting shoulders in fighter mode? Shoulder flaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I'm interested to know if the shoulders fit better as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante74 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 so Graham, could you post a little video of the FB in action? I just got my shipping notice from HLJ, so I'll finaly see a YF-19 in the flesh in a couple of weeks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Here we go!! Fighter with FAST pack: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Foldbooster: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Semi GERWALK GERWALK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 oooh, that's nice. Doesn't look like they got the shoulder to sit anymore flush in fighter mode though. kinda disapointing. But after seeing the FP, I like how the slightly bent angle of the legs gives it a very aggressive feel that the lineart version doesn't have, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Battroid: Line Art: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante74 Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Can't see the pics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugimon Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Can't see the pics... you're missing out then. the pics rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Gunpod and landing gear issue are fixed, one of it still cannot fully spread out, but very minor. Old one New one: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsYcHoDyNaMiX Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 (edited) WHAAA!!!!! That's pretty nice... The pics and the fix I mean. XD ***EDIT*** And the fast packs too. XD Any idea about the hinges? Edited July 3, 2007 by PsYcHoDyNaMiX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 WHAAA!!!!! That's pretty nice... The pics and the fix I mean. XD ***EDIT*** And the fast packs too. XD Any idea about the hinges? The hinge inside the fusage, it has stress on one of them, I had losen the screw a bit, no breakage over 10 transfomation, but yes, it still makes me worry, but not much. There are also some problem on the left shoulder, the movable part inside it was glued by the worker. You can see from my that it cannot close completely in the figter mode, I then use some force to break it in and it can move like what it is supposed to, luckily I didn;t break anything else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsYcHoDyNaMiX Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Hmm... I see... Thank you for the reply and the info. Good thing the worker didn't use that much glue. Unlike a similar case I had with my VF-0S' head. XD Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 oooh, that's nice. Doesn't look like they got the shoulder to sit anymore flush in fighter mode though. kinda disapointing. But after seeing the FP, I like how the slightly bent angle of the legs gives it a very aggressive feel that the lineart version doesn't have, imo. FAST pack actually weaken the fighter mode, and it is much more difficult to get every peg fit together when the leg are bent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsYcHoDyNaMiX Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I saw this in the pics earlier and thought if it would be an issue since the gate seems to be extended off the body of the fastpack. How does that piece look to you swoosh, solid and sturdy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoosh Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 (edited) I saw this in the pics earlier and thought if it would be an issue since the gate seems to be extended off the body of the fastpack. How does that piece look to you swoosh, solid and sturdy? Similar to VF0s, it attach to the leg using magnet, the FAST pack itself dose not hold to the legs very well in battriod mode (it is much heavier the VF0, and more solid), but in the fighter mode the FAST became less easier to fall off due to the rear wing's peg is pluged to this gate, the wings helps keeping it in place, which is good. Edited July 3, 2007 by Swoosh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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